you guys are ones to talk

[toldyouso]

I am a liar I tend to disagree. And yes I am barred from ukc but it probley does not matter to you why because i can see once again how perfect your akc world is. I too have placed hounds in your format and have ukc champions and won the world hunt last year with a dog that was picked up at the ohio river hunt after she lead the race and did most of the work. eyes bugged out of peoples heads but did not matter because the claimed she was racing. did not see that. when your 40yards a head its not much of a race. SHAWN I DID NOT SAY YOU WAS A BAD JUDGE and yes you did make that comment rather you ment it your not. and that night at the motel in kentucky absolutely happened but did not expect you guys to admitted any wrong doings. You know one thing i will say greg wells is right do not take this personal its just my opinion and for a bunch of guys who acts like they do not care why get so pissed off. Just having a little fun and you fellows are getting out of shape about the whole thing. I am barred from ukc for telling it like it is and i do not run akc for the same reason its not a format or group of people that handle the truth very well and for that and only that i am sorry for. I am ashamed that you all took it to this level but not surprised because usually when you hit a nerve people react if it was not true the why bother to get all bent out of shape. Yes i do have issues with some of these people i have mentioned because i do not think the are honesty but not all. Brian garmatter is the best friend i have ever had as well as doug bice roger bibler and hell i even like tony eyer because at least he does not pull any punches. Denny dugan is another story and he knows why Mark brown also knows why. Shawn i have nothing personally against you or brandin never have. Bryan bush never had a problem with you but we have had conversations in the past about how thing are done. who every old blood is it seems like you have the biggest problems with my outlook and i took some of what you said to heart but thats your right just like its mine. can we at least agree to disagree. Know this i run dogs probley at least 20 to 25 hours a week i do not run junk and i am willing to drop my dogs with anyone. Believe me i do not make a good first impression but once you get to know me you would probley feel bad about what you said. You never have to guess whats on my mind and you seem to be the same way and i like that. arron bramlett if you wish to kick me off this web page you are more then welcome but i have only spoke the truth. LORD LOOKING. MERRY XMAS TO ALL AND TO ALL GOOD RUNNING.

[Ohiohntr]

Another very well thought out post.....

Pass the asprin please!!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Ahh Frank ya aint a bad guy but ya just step on too many toes with your opinions. I do believe this if your dog was 40 yards ahead of a pack of 15" bitches then she was cheating to get there. I have run a few different formats as you but all i can say is finish just one akc field champion then i believe your opinion will hold more water. I will go out on a limb and say this" Its the hardest thing i have ever attempted. Ya know a lot of Little Pack fellas look up too ya, maybe thats where you should stay.
I personally have never had a problem with ya dont expect too. But if you think its all about Hogie and a Tally Hoe Stick then maybe ya better rethink your position as its been a while. I have yet to see a FC That didnt Jump, And circle there own Rabbit. I know Ol Big Mark Brown pretty well also ask him this, Whats harder to finish a Grand or a FC? Best of luck to ya Frank.
Later Jimmie Abshire.

[Ridge View]

Still digging! How deep will he go nobody knows!

[toldyouso]

listen i have always said that this computer is the downfall to our sport and one thing for sure we all love this sport. so being that i stirred a bucket of $ LET ME BE THE ONE TO SAY I AM SORRY thats not what i intended to do. maybe i should leave my opinions to myself and realize that its not rather you like what i run but its rather i do. I said what isaid and i cannot take it back but i will not put myself into a postion that i always preach to everyone else about. This webpage is good to a point but more trouble and difference of opinions come in to play and most of the time is not good. Everything that i said was the truth in my mind but as a great person who i love dearly said that does not make you always right. thanks missy joe my wife of 18years. so again if i offended anyone thats not my intention i am just a person who would rather know the truth then have it surgar coated. believe me what i said on this computer is nothing that i would not say to your face. and jimmy we will never have problems because we can agree to disagree and yes i do agree that it is alot harder to make a akc field champion. rather you run akc ukc or arha lets always remember its always about the hounds not the other end of the lead strap.

[mike crabtree]

Who stole Franks password ???

[MGB]

[adamhughes]

Hey Frank I still like you

[Taitor]

Frank I don't care if you apologize to these guys or not I'm still kicking your butt on the golf course next summer, Saltfork or anywhere else.

[J.C. Blair]

Who is Frank Miller?

[houndsmen06]

i dont know him either but i heard he has alot of running ground and is always up for a challenge

[wildcatfan0309]

DRAMA!!

[Big Mike]

i haven't figured out if his issue is with UKC or AKC?

[toldyouso]

My issue is not with either. My issues are not with anyone Iam just a guy that calls it like I see it. Sometimes Iam right and sometimes I am not but I do not lie on everything I love I do not LIE. and sometimes this hurts people feelings. Anyone that knows me knows I am 100 percent about the hounds and more times then not I have done the right thing rather I was judging or handling. I see a dog jump a rabbit i tell the judge which dog it was i do not say i am glad the judge did not see that and to often people say your not judging why would you tell him that. The only man who is happy that i was honesty is the one who got the jump. This is just example not all people are bad but i think we as houndsmen should be more about the hound and less about winning.I want to win as much as the next guy believe that but i would not cheat or lie to do it. Yes I big mike am barred from ukc but there is only a few people who know why. Did I threaten a judge Yes but no one seems to care why and it had nothing to do with dogs it had everything to do with this judge putting his hands on me. If you are a ukc guy then you know Dale Prunity and he will tell you I should not be barred. As a matter of fact the only reason I am barred is because I refuse to pay a fine. Put up the money and I am right back in the game. But I will not admitt guilt because I do not believe I was wrong. If I had listened to mister Prunity and kept going South instead of north I would not had put myself in this position so many years ago. This is where my problem comes with blank. I will not use names in a bad way you can figure it out all ready made that mistake and people got very upset. but truths sometimes hurt and mabe it is not always good to be so blunt. I hope this answers your question because I am trying to tone it down and maybe get better results.

[old blood beagles]

Frank

The only reason that I jumped in on this post was because your post on AKC rules. You said somethings that went directly against the rule book and I pointed it out to you. Then you started in on individuals that I run with and I just wanted to say that I have never seen them do what you claimed. I don't know what happened 7 years ago as I was not there but I do know that the AKC Mid-West is one of the best formats to run in. I also know that the majority of the judges do their best on placing hounds in the winners pack. I am not a big time name nor do I run big name hounds but I get the same treatment as the big time names and big name hounds. That is what is so fun about the AKC Mid-West, when you have a hound that wins or places against the big guys it puts a smile on my face.
We can agree to disagree on styles of hounds but not on rules of the format as they are set in stone. I will be glad to run hounds with you anytime that you could make it down. I dont have all the time in the world but I will make time to run with you. Your topic was a good conversation at our last trial and a few individuals that know you said that sometimes you let your mouth overrun your but you are a good guy in the end. So all that I can say is bring your best hounds on down to a trial and see how things are being ran today and not 7 years ago.

Duane