I.F.C. MJR Argentevil Striker

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:04 am

Guest/John
Doesn't Bruce New have something you would breed to? Maybe you are overlooking something right at home.

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:59 pm

it was IFC MJR Mitsou Argentevil Striker I saw in trials. Shaker ran two years before Striker, and I never had the chance to see him run.

King's Way Kennel · Post by **King's Way Kennel** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:52 pm

Yes Alabama; Bruce has a couple of nice linebred Paycheck males and beleive me I call and check on them at least once a week. But one has more of a slow bawl mouth which I like a good chop and he isn't the greatest of confirmation so there is two big minuses to me. I like the show dog look if I can get and the type of running I like. As I told Robert McCoy in the beginning of this post I am very picky and if you get a pup here I EXPECT me and you to be very satisfied. Now I do think it is stupid to breed dogs just because someone else wants a pup out of them two dogs but after I make a breeding that suits me and I have made my pick I want the looks and ability to please whoever comes along. May I add that I have not had a pup brought back yet except one and it had a hereditary disease that nobody knew about and never showed up until the pups would be around 3 or 4 months old. But I stood good for the pup anyway and am going to pay for another pup to replace the guy's pup and make everything right with the guy.

Mark T · Post by **Mark T** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:09 pm

Rob, Shaker and Striker are/were the same age. They ran head to head in Canada and they tell me it was 50/50. But Zoro, Strikers brother, who finished 15" in Canada, never was beat by Striker. I had the chance to see Shaker here and he was truly great. He ran more NYSHA then the PVA as Striker did. For more details on any of these hounds try the beaglescanada website. John Monkman handled Shaker for some time as well as ran with the Gouins and he will give you any info needed.
Mark Trudell

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:34 pm

Mark,
here in the states IFC Haunted Hill Shaker was run by Howard Cate during the 1996 field trial season. He tied for 3rd runner up with FC Gene O's Digger Reagen for the Better Beagling Outstanding Pack Hound Award. I believe Shaker finished for his IFC with a win at Carver Sportsmens. These two hounds knocked heads all summer long and then they tied. I always thought that that was kind of funny. Everybody knows what Shaker did, and Digger was bred to about 6 bitches and then was sold to Japan for the sum of $22,000. I ran against Shaker's father IFC Haunted Hill Harper during the 1994 field trial season, he too was handled by Howard Cate. Howard said Shaker was a much better hound.

They were beat by IFC Branko's Tallgrass Hank and FC Branko's Grand Slam(who later finished for IFC).

Striker amassed two wins in the states and then was bought by Tony Santos in fall/winter of 1997/1998. My father and I hadn't been on the AKC field trial scene because I was on three different swim teams and looking for colleges and we were stilling chasing a win with FC Kane's Irish Beach Bum for IFC(he died at the age of 7 before he got it). By the time Easthampton rolled around(back in the day when it was the 2nd trial of the year) everybody had Striker built up to be "The Next Trimmer". Anyway he won the trial after spending the last 45 minutes to an hour at the gate and finished for IFC. He went on to win Edinburg a couple months later, and then nobody really saw much of him in trials after that.

I heard an older beagler talking about how Striker and Ranger Dan tied for high sire this year, and he said they should just give it to Striker because Dan had been bred to so many bitches, and Striker hadn't been bred to that many. A lot of people don't know that when Striker first got to the states he was bred to A LOT of dogs it seemed like anybody and everybody was breeding to him.

FTC MJR Mitsou Zoro was also handled by Howard Cate for a few trials, he was ran in the 13" class here in the states and I know that he picked up at least a 2nd at Paskamansett in the fall of 1999 underneath my father and Bill McLaren. He was beat by a 13 month old pup by the name of Sabattus Mtn. Melchior.

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:16 am

I'm always hesitant to post what I know about a particular dog on a public forum, but seeing as everyone seems to be accepting input from others without taking offense, I'll offer my 2 cents. BTW, Rob Kane corrects me all the time when I have a too-frequent senior moment when it comes to pedigrees, names, dates and places; and I know better than to question his facts, so it's kind of nice in a way to see him make a little gaffe! Sorry, Rob. LOL In general there's a lot of good traits being passed on by Striker and the breed is sure better because of him than without him. I've judged a number of his offspring, ran against them and owned a very good one. I don't know how much hunt Striker himself had but that's never been an issue from the hounds I've seen off him. Some are VERY hard hunters. Conformation is excellent, very good line control and plenty of bottom. The bitch I owned could be run all day every day and got better as the day wore on. Tough as nails. She wasn't a great jump dog but not from lack of effort. She finished with 5 wins I think, but I sold her for one reason and one only. When the temperature dropped and running got tough, she simply disappeared; couldn't open, couldn't lift scent. Her dam was an excellent snow hound from a long line of good snow hounds out of Canada. I can't lay that all on Striker but nose has not been a strength of his from what I've seen, at least on tough snow conditions. Now, that's not likely an issue if you live anywhere but the northern tier of states and do a lot of hunting on deep powder snow so I think for most folks Striker will suit your needs very well, especially if you're more interested in trials than gunning. I am taking a pup off the bitch I sold as she was bred to a male with very good snow nose, so I want to point out that I do like his bloodline very much as long as I feel his weaknesses are correctable by what I already have in my kennel. But every generation I try to get MORE nose than I had before so I have not used him as much as others have. Still, the good BY FAR outweighs the bad, in my opinion.

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:34 pm

Steve,
I figured you would appreciate one of my mistakes.

Are you going to the futurity this week?

Steve C. · Post by **Steve C.** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:09 am

Rob, no I'm not going out this weekend. I thought I might but I no longer trial derby hounds and Mike took Undertaker back to Nova Scotia so the only ones I have for the Trial of Champions are both 11 years old. Can't justify spending that much money and not running a dog. How are your pups doing?

KanesIrish · Post by **KanesIrish** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:44 pm

my pups out of the Cowboy dog and Chance are doing well, ready to start, I've been leash training them and walking through the woods with them.

these 2 2 year old males out of Woody are doing real well, putting a spanking on my 2 15" males the past month. Hopefully I'll run into you soon.

Steve Preston · Post by **Steve Preston** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:39 pm

Kingsway tou have a PM.

Steve

King's Way Kennel · Post by **King's Way Kennel** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:57 pm