the stud dog of your choice right now.

[Chimney Rock Kennel]

Jude [/quote/] no one could compare a dog that has been bred 3 time to one that has been
bred 300 , that's why we have to go with the best percentage .[/quote]

I will have to disagree with you on that. I can't see how you can go by a percentage. For example you got one dog that has 100 bithes bred to him and 98 of those bitches were junk and the other 2 were nice ones out of the 2 nice bitches that was bred to him you get 10 nice pups the other 98 bitches you get all junk, take another dog that only had 2 bitches bred to him and they are both nice ones, and you get 10 nice pups, if you went by pecentage the dog that only bred 2 bitches wins by a long shot, is it the other stud dogs fault that there 98 junk bitches bred to him? So is the stud dog that only bred 2 bitches the better reproducer or not?

I think they are way to many that thinks breeding their bitch to a good dog can fix all there problems and when it don't the stud dog gets the blame.

JMO, Eddie

[TrlBustinBeagle]

Chimney Rock you make a good point of not going by percentages in a way, but then the owner of the stud dog has to step up and not let his stud breed to just anything then. He clearly has a choice on who he lets breed to his male. That is the only way you can clearly see who produces what and then the stud what be the one to blame. If he is bred to 7 nice hounds and six produces good dogs then the one that didnt is the female unless she produced well with another male. Sometimes certain crosses click and then there are ones that dont that look good on paper.

[NeilKimbrel7]

Chimney Rock you make a good point of not going by percentages in a way, but then the owner of the stud dog has to step up and not let his stud breed to just anything then. He clearly has a choice on who he lets breed to his male. That is the only way you can clearly see who produces what and then the stud what be the one to blame. If he is bred to 7 nice hounds and six produces good dogs then the one that didnt is the female unless she produced well with another male. Sometimes certain crosses click and then there are ones that dont that look good on paper.

I have to disagree with this statement. It should be up to the breeder to not just breed anything, not the owner of the stud. Some people travel from several states away to breed to a stud and the owner of the stud may not have ever had a chance to watch her run. If everyone one was as picky about the bitch as they are the stud the breed would be a lot better off. But I also know some dogs just seem to dominate certain characteristics in a cross. I believe brankos red river runner is one of these dogs. I've seen the man go himself as well as a couple of his offspring. He has endless desire to this day and that's a trait he throws in his pups. For the foot he has thrown in his pups, they have suprising tracking ability.

[JUDE]

Guys I thought about starting another post but with all the stud suggestions on here
and no doubt some super hounds , a question came to my mind .

How many litters 2 year old up is on the ground from each of these hounds ? How many
pups from these stud hounds have Champion titles ? not what's going to be a champion.

I'm not talking about just good hounds , I'm wanting to know which stud is already showing
himself to produce competition style Champion hounds at a young age in comparison to the
ammount of litters he's has on the ground .



Grand Rabbit Champion Coleman's Roll On Buddy has produced 2 Grand Champion's and about 12 Champions that I can think of. I don't think he's been breed to alot either for those numbers.

Thanks for posting that Troy . LPRCH/BCH Lesage Bill crossed super on Northway bred females (only happened twice that I knof of). These two crosses produced powerful hounds with correct mouth , hard hunt , speed to spare , champions and dogs that can reproduce at a very young age .

[johns03272008]

I don't think we will ever be able to tell statistically because of the fact there are a lot of people that are just gun hunters and their dogs never see a trial that are out of all of our top stud dogs!! Also there are so many formats that different people like to run and some dogs only get run in a certain format!! I think what this boils down to is what stud dog and or blood line do we like best!! JMHO!!

[Casey Harner]

Mr. Conroe said it all. With the internet everyone has a stud dog. I agree with that statement. With the internet and stud dogs, without watching the dog run you'll never hear the negatives or disadvantages that dog might have. You'll hear all the positives. Mr. Conroe, great statement, you drove the tack home.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

I have always encouraged anyone breeding to come see what my hound is. He has nothing to hide, nor do I.Even though for some reason hunters are sucking my dogs up. To me thats a good thing. Trialers are a picky crowd and when things get tuff they may bail for another line.As always do your homework and choose a stud that compliments ur bitch.Just a little side note. T-Rex dogs as a general rule are tight mouthed, alot of people give up too early in fear they are not world beaters, they come to mouth with age.......

[Bobby Vest]

Breeding is maybe the toughest thing in the world. If you can breed consistently a good dog you better be happy, they all aren't going to be world champions. I think about my two older sisters, both great women anyone would be proud of. Then I think if my mother had me first she probably would have stopped right then and there. Same parents same house same everything, just makes you think. I never will forget I was at Dexter's one time and we were talking about breeding and he said Sampson had a brother that was a much better rabbit dog but Sampson was far better at reproducing, just makes you think. I was always proud of my Pine Mt. Chester dogs pups even though they weren't all Junies or Spades most all of them were way above average gun dogs. I think there are way too many people breeding and expecting to produce world champions when they should be thankful for real good dogs. I know some people that were producing top quality dogs that completely changed lines because thay weren't producing world champions. Just makes you think. I believe in being competetive and setting your goals high, nothing wrong with that. Is it all about world champions? Not to me it isn't. Give me a dog that I love to throw in the truck when I am going hunting, and one I love when I am going running and I am a happy man. Are they world champions? Yes in my mind they are.

[jdmart]

I think about my two older sisters, both great women anyone would be proud of. Then I think if my mother had me first she probably would have stopped right then and there. Same parents same house same everything, just makes you think.

Bobby,

That is funny right there, I don't care who you are ! LMAO

[Jamie Rice]

Bobby... I think you hit the nail that many tend to forget. Whether you produce a champion or not, shouldn't determine whether a dog should be considered a PRODUCER. Whether a dog produces a RABBIT DOG or not should be! I think many of us fail to use several great RABBIT DOGS out there because they don't have a title in front of their name or just because they haven't produced any champions in any registry, whichever you may like is your choice. Truth is only a small percentage of the pups a stud produces ever sees a trial. Ever take into consideration how many pups out of great producers like IFC Maravic's Blue Ninja and FTC Branko's Jack Of All Trades that never saw a trial? Food for thought... Best of luck to everyone that chooses to make a breeding. I think we all, myself included could use some luck in that department every now and then.

[Joeyman]

might as well throw in all the oversized beagles that arn't allowed to trial too. Bet their are a bunch of them that would make great stud dogs besides the fact that they are oversized.

[Casey Harner]

Bobby... I think you hit the nail that many tend to forget. Whether you produce a champion or not, shouldn't determine whether a dog should be considered a PRODUCER. Whether a dog produces a RABBIT DOG or not should be! I think many of us fail to use several great RABBIT DOGS out there because they don't have a title in front of their name or just because they haven't produced any champions in any registry, whichever you may like is your choice. Truth is only a small percentage of the pups a stud produces ever sees a trial. Ever take into consideration how many pups out of great producers like IFC Maravic's Blue Ninja and FTC Branko's Jack Of All Trades that never saw a trial? Food for thought... Best of luck to everyone that chooses to make a breeding. I think we all, myself included could use some luck in that department every now and then.

I agree. Great post.

[JCM]

If you look at most of the "stud dogs" advertised online, the majority have produced brags, potential, and puppy pictures. Very few have any track record. Very few come from kennels that have raised and owned more than one generation. I think this is unfortunate because people read the ads and don't understand how vitale this is to building a good line of dogs.

No offense to all of the wannabes in the stud dog business, but until you have produced a few really good dogs, you are mostly servivng on brag and BS. To a real houndsman, potential and great pups are what wannabes survive on.

It doesn't matter whether it is for trials or hunting, as Jerry McGuire said, "show me the money."

[Ron Conroe]

right on jcm.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

In 1992 I had the opportunity to see Maravic's Blue Ninja and his two littermate sisters Mimi and Missy run on the Large Pack trial circuit in the northeast and was very impressed with what I saw and who their daddy was [Jack of all Trades ].I bought a female out of Ninja x Greenbriar Charity from Vic and have been keeping and breeding dogs with a Ninja background since.I have 4 linebred Ninja females at this time and when I raise pups out of them I want to follow a linebred route so I look at studs that preferably have Ninja or his littermate sister Branko's Conna behind them or at the least Jack of all Trades strong.
Because of this some of the studs I am interested in, in no particular order are
Side Hill Keuka Blue
Branko's Geter Done
Beavercreek Blue Max
Howard's Bandit
Blue Boy's Lightfoot


I of course have a ton of respect for Reggie but I already have 2 out of him and 1 out of his brother Thunder Blue.Just remember that all studs are not necessarily the right cross for every female .Some lines cross better with certain lines than with others.When you find that super "niche or nick" cross then keep making it until you can't any more!!!!!!!