unbelievable speed

[Dave Swiger]

Ohlinger...were you there? I don't remember seeing you at any of the hunt clubs back in the 70's or 80's. You come off as a know it all and i bet your as dumb as you sound. Nobody is interested in your posts. I read back over this thread and I don't see where myself or John mention your name.

signed,

I was there
Dave

[houndsmen06]

[KPrice]

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[Alabama John]

Bev,
thanks, he looked like one of the old time champions of AKC! Good enough for the cover too! Anyway to post his pedigree to see if he's in any of our dogs? I doubt he's in any of my culls.

Ohlinger,
Just posting my experiences. I have my opinion, you have yours. That's fine with me. Come down and go hunting, you'd have a good time comparing and talking dogs.
Down here most in that video would of been picked up for too fast. How do you think the AKC Champion dog Bev posted would of run with those on the video? If there were AKC pack trials up North that ran under different rules and were judged differently, I did not see them run or the stud dogs or pups advertised. Maybe I missed them, sure possible!

We have had no registry trials here for many years. I know of one such trial format, (never competed in it of course) held in strip mines where the first dog to cross the many crisscrossed strip roads wins the pot and another road crossing, another pot. Some fast dogs are worth their weight in gold. One smallboned, pencilled tailed Black and Tan female beagle was famous. These won't go to any trial for a trophy, they want the cash! They'll never be advertised for stud in a magazine like Hounds and Hunting. No papers. Papers are handy though, especially when its cold.

I wish I had some of the old magazines and someone could read or post on here some of the ads for AKC Champion studs.
I read only how close, line running they were, never that they could run fast.

What magazine were the Northern fast Hare beagle stud dogs advertised in? Maybe I missed their ads, that is sure possible if I was focusing on the Brace and Big pack trials here

[poteetkennels]

Well steve i would have to agree with you 100%. If it were not for the bashing they give us and the dirty ass looks you get when you try to talk to them.

[yorkmtnbeagles]

how many of you have made 6000 dollars in two months off of stud fees??...run what you like,but dont knock an old man for running what he likes..that is traditional brace,and if thats what the old folks like,thats what they can run.they run like that now,they ran like that in the 50`s.anyone ever hear about wilcliffe boogie??he was a brace dog,much like those you just watched......compare entrys of the brace trials today to entrys of your own trials,they are about the same.

[rabbitsmoker]

AKC hounds oringle - speed was bred into beagles go back when AKC got started

[ohlinger]

AKC hounds oringle - speed was bred into beagles go back when AKC got started

you are right! but they were not walkie talkie speed! Once america had a good grip on beagles the focus seemed to become more on individual dog performance instead of total pack performance and speed was bred back in or out if brace trials were you're thing. Lots of variables today! Lol Dave Swiger I'm not stating opinions it's a fact that not all a.k.c dogs were or are out of walkie talkie lines! just a simple fact you have a nice day alabama john you do seem like a very wise houndsmen just want to clear this up so that people are not thing that all a.k.c dogs are originaly from walkie talkies b/c they are'nt...there were people breeding sesnible a.k.c registered gun dogs back then! Dave I was'nt around back then but i have done ALOT of research on the breed! It's just something that interests me ! Just because i was not there back then does not mean the information is not available to me. I believe Dave that you were corrected by a man from up North with even more experience than you who has raised a Hare line of a.k.c registered beagles for 50 years or so that he took over from his father who had them before him! I don't have anything against you. I am just trying to clear up a misconception that is all. You seem to be very opinionated, and I'm not stating my opinion, just trying to clear up a misconception. You are right i was not around back then or around you or to see what was popular. Perhaps most or all a.k.c dogs in you're area were walkie talkie. Perhaps many a.k.c registered dogs now do come from or least share walkie talkie blood, and i may just take you up on you're offer Alabama john b/c i have heard from several people that you have some flat out BURNERS down there, and i have been south several times to run dogs now, and will make more trips down there. Maybe I'll bring some of my a.k.c dogs ! LOL. Dave swiger i hold nothing against you have never met you, just tried to correct you twice on the same issue now, I'm sorry if you don't like it, but i'm not stating an opinion just a fact. I try to keep my opinions to myself, unless asked for it. You have a great day Dave no hard feelings. I don't wish to continue turning this into an arguement. You're experiences and mine have been different, and i agree you may have more than me....

[rabbitsmoker]

The AKC book i have from my great great grandfather they maynot have been walkie talkie but they were slow it hasnt always been the american kennel asso.I forget what year it was took over by this organization Before beagles was introduced into trialing it was just show only and to inter a show the could not have legs no longer than so many inches like the one shown in the other post

[ohlinger]

rabbitsmoker,

Do you have the title of that book ? I suggest to anyone interested learning about the history of the dogs the book called the "The beagle in American and Britain" it's on the national beagle club suggestion page. It is a very informative book that goes wayy back almost to the beginning. It's basicaly a journal of the author with his own experiences and some very good history on the breed that goes back to or close to the beginning of the recognised breed by a.k.c. It has alot of pictures and information on old popular stud hounds, and the development of the breed, and varities. It's authored by H.W Prentice & WA Powell in 1920. I'd be interested in knowing the title of the book you read ? I could be wrong but you may be refering to is a bench legged beagle. Those are not the dogs that the a.k.c standard was adopted from. The standard was written by the men who helped establish the breed in the U.S with packs brought over from Britain there is more info about this on the thread i started beagling and the future. I can't find the information on when the first field trial in the U.S was i believe it's the book i mentioned though.

[rabbitsmoker]

The founding of AKC the before and after I have papers that i cant read that was dated in the 20s it was called somthing else then this was all handed down from each houndsman in my family on my mom and dad side and every thing i have read the hounds sure wasnt fast If so they are never mentioned in one part in later years they was breeding to akc bird dogs and running hounds to beagles back and forth till they got beagle size to get speed I remember the 1st lemon beagle my grand father ever seen he told me the bird dog cropped out in that one LOL

[bill huttozac]

What is gained by trashing another Beagler or his dogs? Seems like it was rampant on this thread. If I was anew Beagler or a young person wanting to become a Beagler and read this thread, I do believe it would change my mind about this hobby.

[RDN61]

There used to be a man named Parks that wrote for the Rabbit hunter mag. If you can find some of his articles you can see where walkie talkie dogs started. Grays linesman was a brace hound how many fast dogs have him in their pedigree today? Elmer Gray was one of the ones I believe telling breeders of that day they were destroying the gundog. Anyway it makes interesting reading.I believe a guy name of Glen Black? was another warning the breeders of the early peanut rollers.

[Bev]

What is gained by trashing another Beagler or his dogs? Seems like it was rampant on this thread. If I was anew Beagler or a young person wanting to become a Beagler and read this thread, I do believe it would change my mind about this hobby.

What was to be gained by breeding the brains and functional conformation right out of the beagle? There hasn't been a bunch of personal trashing here as much as trashing the act and the format. What's to be gained (IMO) is that any new beagler reading this needs to know that careless inbreeding for selfish purposes, introducing weiner dogs into the breed...and anything else that was done to get the likes of FC Bobo's Mr. Friendly, with 2-inch front legs and 9-inch back legs, was a black mark on the sport, and should never be done again. It was a part of history that needs never to be forgotten, so if it comes up once per year, that's okay with me. Big parts of the south darn near lost the hunting beagle altogether.

I hope the walkie-talkie brace fad disappears for good. They should never have done that to a hunting dog in the first place. I'll not gloss it over for any reason. Let them get another hobby...like turtle racing, lol. Stop breeding those brainless, useless dogs.

[da ridgetop]

To all the breeders out there that kept sight of a true hunting beagle in the cold days of traditional brace just want to say thanks,glad everybody didn't lose sight of what a gundog is supposed to be.Probably not very many still around but we owe these folks alot for breeding for rabbit dogs not ribbons.
Donald