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Big Mike
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Never to old to learn

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I've been in this beagle game over fifty years, and very now and then someone will inquire about a German Beagle. What the heck is a GERMAN BEAGLE? I am guessing it's along the lines of a warfield red , a misunderstanding in terminology over the years.

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I have heard lots of the old timers refer to ANY red and white dog a German beagle, I believe the reason does have to do with the Warfield bloodlines.
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jld
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Dad used to have them when i was little,they were black and white,i will ask him if he has any pictures anywhere,be a few days though

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I new a old timer that i used to talk to years ago that got 1 that he called a german beagle it was light red (not lemon)with yellow eyes and pink nose and i have never seen one like him since but he called him a german and he said that in germy years ago thats what thier beagles looked like but very few from over there raise beagles anymore so they are hard to come by and he also said that is where the yellow eyes and pink noses come from you see today is they have some of that blood in them that comes out from time to time and i read about beagles in the library from germany and the old man was right from what i read all their hounds have the eyes and noses and light colored hair

Salzer mtn
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I think some people are calling redticks German beagles. I've heard people also refer to blueticks as English beagles. Some people call tri-color beagles with a lot of white on them as walker beagles.

bill huttozac
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Salzer Mtn - I have no clue what a German Beagle is supposed to look like. I agree with you that it is likely a local name give to a certain colored dog. I have often heard people call a brown, white and tan Beagle a Oklahoma Red. They treat Oklahoma Red as a bloodline much like some do Warfield Red.
I do know that brown or chocolate is a variant of the color black and most Beagle lines have dogs with the genes for the color brown. Invariably,
these brown dogs will have light colored noses and eyes that are a yellow to gold in color. Nothing special about them anymore than a Black Angus cow throwing a red calf (Red Angus). No doubt there are some out there breeding for color brown or red as it may be called.

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Alabama John
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That's what around here is a sorta liver and white big spotted beagle. Liver like a pointer bird dog.

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Beleve it or not, there is a web site for German Beagles. Now is that the kennel name or the Beagles originated in Germany I have no clue. The Beagles show dogs and a lot of them were light Red.

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Yes there is such a breed out of Germany called German beagles and they are nearly exstinct i have been into beagles all my life and years ago you would see one every now and then but when the Germans quit raisen them you hardly see them anymore one trait they was known for was thier temper they didnt get along with other dogs and dew claws on thier back feet but they was good lookin well built blocky head and thin slick hair and light light red German beagles is what i have always heard them called its been awhile since i have heard about them Like i said in the other post your local library should have something on them

grace kennels
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the german beagles ive owned in the past were black& white with ticks on them there heads were solid black ive owned 4 of them ive heard these were called blacktick beagles too i went to a mans house once to buy a beagle he had some dark red dogs he called them german reds ive actually heard the black and white dogs called english beagles.the last black and white one i had he was akc.reg he went back to the gunsmoke line of dogs.

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grace kennels wrote:the german beagles ive owned in the past were black& white with ticks on them there heads were solid black ive owned 4 of them ive heard these were called blacktick beagles too i went to a mans house once to buy a beagle he had some dark red dogs he called them german reds ive actually heard the black and white dogs called english beagles.the last black and white one i had he was akc.reg he went back to the gunsmoke line of dogs.
A German Shorthaired Pointer (bird dog) is liver colored with ticks all over them. That's the reason some people call a redtick beagle a German beagle. A blacktick beagle is what i call a blackheaded bluetick.

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Hey Salzer

For those folks that want a Beagle to hunt extremely hard like I see some post, a little bird dog in one sure will will help with that if you are hunting open fields. Dashound in one for getting in and grubbing in real thick stuff sure helps a beagle do that. About a quarter Bassett sure makes a Beagle a water dog.

Go to the trade days around here and see how many are mixed to be what the owner, breeder wanted it to do.

A friend has a bluetick female that has stiff facial whiskers from its Jack Russell blood but he shaves it when he competes in a trial. What a rabbit dog.

WE drive different trucks for different purposes, same with dogs!

The best dog for our purpose is always our favorite.

bill huttozac
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Just a random thought on my part. Perhaps the reason that most of us are unfamiular with the "German Beagle" lies with the fact that most European bred Beagles exceed 15 inches in height. AKC does not recognize a 15 plus inch Beagle, therefore, they would only be raised in the US in very low numbers if a all. Beagles in Germany are used to hunt Hare and tend to run at a faster speed than those American bred . Again, looking at the colors of English bred Beagles, you see a laundry list of colors and combinations recognized be the UKC. If there is a bloodline of German Beagles, it would be listed with the Duetsche Hundewesen (German Kennel Club). This Registerie list the origin of it's Beagles as the United Kingdom.
Just food for thought.

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