Best BloodLine To Have In Your Kennel

[Schag]

I have been reading this thread for some time. Some very good points. I am certainly no expert, but have had my share of bloodlines. The title maybe should read, "What Faults Do You Allow"? Meaning, what faults can you put up with. In the long run, that is what it boils down to because regardless of what type of hound someone is feeding they have to live with the good and the bad, and there is good in bad in any hound. I have sold hounds or given hounds away in the past that I could not stand, but yet have had guys tell me they are one of the best they own. Sold a hound when I was 12 for 75 dollars, paid 200 dollars for him, and in my mind he was a piece of junk. The man that bought him said it was the best hound he had in 30 years of owning dogs. He bred the dogs several times. I wish I would have ripped papers up, and gave him away as a pet. Being 12, you don't think about the future. I could go on with examples, but won't. Am I bragging, no, just making a point that because of a fault a hound had, I could not live with it. Someone else could, and really enjoyed what I did not like. So, if we are going to talk about what bloodline is best, lets look at what faults these hounds have to even the playing field. One that you think is the best in the world, might not be worth anything to someone else and vice-versa. It all boils down to what kind of hound the good and the bad you can tolerate to be your favorite bloodline for you to scrape kennels and feed them every day.

By the way, I have a few favorites of bloodlines, but have yet to reach my goal in a hound. Probably never will but hope to never give up. I don't trial enough to ever be recognized, but want to feed the best I can for my own enjoyment. Good post.

[S.R.Patch]

Thank you MR S R Patch, I ment nothing against the line. You are probable right about the foot, and easiest to breed in. thank you for the input. I will try to find out the dogs full name my uncle bred his female to about 6 years ago.

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I sent some hounds up to Mich. with Mark Dodson, some of them made LP champ I think.
Tom & Eva, up by Lansing run fox and coyote with their pups, that might be an 8 on the scale?

Interested to know the slower breed of patch you've seen. Lelawana was the slowest, independent, line control freak patch I've had or seen, probably a 4. She was Yates, the loosest spring I've seen in any patch... most come wound pretty tight.

[SMALL TOWN]

i have skim blood have blade out of skim jesse painter joker dog craig tulls old driver dog and some larsen and starting to get more branko and have done real well with those bloodllines and want some of mr chad blair boggy dog we don't have to see eye to eye to walk hand in hand spencer boy's kennel

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Thank you MR S R Patch, I ment nothing against the line. You are probable right about the foot, and easiest to breed in. thank you for the input. I will try to find out the dogs full name my uncle bred his female to about 6 years ago.

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I sent some hounds up to Mich. with Mark Dodson, some of them made LP champ I think.
Tom & Eva, up by Lansing run fox and coyote with their pups, that might be an 8 on the scale?

Interested to know the slower breed of patch you've seen. Lelawana was the slowest, independent, line control freak patch I've had or seen, probably a 4. She was Yates, the loosest spring I've seen in any patch... most come wound pretty tight.

I have too agree with patch , i aint seen many slow but seen several that can whiz a track.Just the wrong flavor for me.

[fulcount]

Jimmy
Are you saying the Lemon and whites dont do it for you? LOL

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Jimmy
Are you saying the Lemon and whites dont do it for you? LOL

Color aint a big deal, long as they are not red or lemons lol. Glad too see ur still alive tried to call ya but figured u were at the club trying to melt them little dogs.

[fulcount]

Those little dogs melted a lot of others
got them hard as rocks givin them a 2 week vacation now til first of month
Little Earl took first at the trial and my young bitch from Junior took second 15 in
Made winners pack in all 4 classes thing s are lookin up

[hubertsoutlaw]

This is what I know for sure. We took a pretty fast female up to michigan to breed to a dog named Sniper. The My uncle owned the bitch and I am not sure on her breeding. We went out to Oklahoma and bought a bitch from a fella that told us he has the fastest patch dogs around. The one we bought that was running was a 4 to 5 on speed. Like I said before, I didn't mean anything against the patch line, I personaly have not seen any that was fast, But in saying that all the other qualities was star qualities to me. That is why I said, I would like to see a fast one go. Also, do you have to breed patch to patch? I know that is a stupid question, but I have never been around the line enought to know. Pretty much all I have is Branko Blood in My kennels in one way, shape, or form.

[S.R.Patch]

Jimmy
Are you saying the Lemon and whites dont do it for you? LOL

Color aint a big deal, long as they are not red or lemons lol. Glad too see ur still alive tried to call ya but figured u were at the club trying to melt them little dogs.

Hey Jimmy,
Do you know a Gerald Hale from Portage Ind.? 'bout 13-14 years ago?

John,
I got a fulcount breeding in a bitch here been trying to breed, think she's to old, open marked raspy bawl mouth. Lady Lori of Fulcount, she was crossed on Pal Patch?

This is what I know for sure. We took a pretty fast female up to michigan to breed to a dog named Sniper. The My uncle owned the bitch and I am not sure on her breeding. We went out to Oklahoma and bought a bitch from a fella that told us he has the fastest patch dogs around. The one we bought that was running was a 4 to 5 on speed. Like I said before, I didn't mean anything against the patch line, I personaly have not seen any that was fast, But in saying that all the other qualities was star qualities to me. That is why I said, I would like to see a fast one go. Also, do you have to breed patch to patch? I know that is a stupid question, but I have never been around the line enought to know. Pretty much all I have is Branko Blood in My kennels in one way, shape, or form.

Hubert,
Was the Oakie fellow Jack Palmer or R. Goad bought the kennel from Jack.
Did you watch the Sniper hound run for what foot he had? GR lives up by Howell Mich., is that where you went?
People who don't care for Patch don't bother me, we all have our faults . I'm just trying to understand what you've seen and what gave you the impression you have. Your one of the rare ones that believe patch are medium and seen it numerous times, so you got me curious on the breeding and any outcrosses.
You don't have to breed patch to patch. I sent a patch/english out to Mo. and she won her derby trial in Midwest style. The important thing is breeding type to type, hounds that run similar and complement each other in ability and offset any weakness.
Early on, I sold a lot of pups to people who would come looking to put hunt in their hounds, they all said, "my hounds can run a rabbit plenty good, but I need the hunt jacked up".
Patches come in all colours, I've had red,l/w, br/t/w and last year I got my first bl/t/w in a litter from horn and two spot. Ole Hank, he a nice pup and very calm in the kennel, his sister Flute is just the opposite, biting wire wanting out. Her and Rusty are the winders in the litter I seen, like the high scent, they can get away from the rest of their litter. They'll be more LP type,... the others probably midwest deliberate tighter check work.
Again, I'm not offended by your opinion of the patch, just trying to understand how you come to the conclusion.
Hope your hounds do well for you, and stay cool. It's hot man!

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Jimmy
Are you saying the Lemon and whites dont do it for you? LOL

Color aint a big deal, long as they are not red or lemons lol. Glad too see ur still alive tried to call ya but figured u were at the club trying to melt them little dogs.

Hey Jimmy,
Do you know a Gerald Hale from Portage Ind.? 'bout 13-14 years ago?

John,
I got a fulcount breeding in a bitch here been trying to breed, think she's to old, open marked raspy bawl mouth. Lady Lori of Fulcount, she was crossed on Pal Patch?

This is what I know for sure. We took a pretty fast female up to michigan to breed to a dog named Sniper. The My uncle owned the bitch and I am not sure on her breeding. We went out to Oklahoma and bought a bitch from a fella that told us he has the fastest patch dogs around. The one we bought that was running was a 4 to 5 on speed. Like I said before, I didn't mean anything against the patch line, I personaly have not seen any that was fast, But in saying that all the other qualities was star qualities to me. That is why I said, I would like to see a fast one go. Also, do you have to breed patch to patch? I know that is a stupid question, but I have never been around the line enought to know. Pretty much all I have is Branko Blood in My kennels in one way, shape, or form.

Hubert,
Was the Oakie fellow Jack Palmer or R. Goad bought the kennel from Jack.
Did you watch the Sniper hound run for what foot he had? GR lives up by Howell Mich., is that where you went?
People who don't care for Patch don't bother me, we all have our faults . I'm just trying to understand what you've seen and what gave you the impression you have. Your one of the rare ones that believe patch are medium and seen it numerous times, so you got me curious on the breeding and any outcrosses.
You don't have to breed patch to patch. I sent a patch/english out to Mo. and she won her derby trial in Midwest style. The important thing is breeding type to type, hounds that run similar and complement each other in ability and offset any weakness.
Early on, I sold a lot of pups to people who would come looking to put hunt in their hounds, they all said, "my hounds can run a rabbit plenty good, but I need the hunt jacked up".
Patches come in all colours, I've had red,l/w, br/t/w and last year I got my first bl/t/w in a litter from horn and two spot. Ole Hank, he a nice pup and very calm in the kennel, his sister Flute is just the opposite, biting wire wanting out. Her and Rusty are the winders in the litter I seen, like the high scent, they can get away from the rest of their litter. They'll be more LP type,... the others probably midwest deliberate tighter check work.
Again, I'm not offended by your opinion of the patch, just trying to understand how you come to the conclusion.
Hope your hounds do well for you, and stay cool. It's hot man!

Yea i know him patch.

[S.R.Patch]

Remember when he had Pikes Peak Pete and Muffin?

I remember you come down with him looking at the patch dogs, I really like ole Gerald. I'd always wondered if I'd met you, glad I got it straight in my head now.
I talked to Kenny, Geralds brother last week, he don't have beagles anymore due to health but he bout talked my leg off. Old beaglers never die, he loves to talk the stories of yesterday, he was happy and wound-up when I left. it was like you'd took the old dog out of the kennel again...
Glad your doing well...

[hubertsoutlaw]

Yes sir it was in howell MI. I thought he was a field champion. I was kinda new in the sport. He bred to that dog in 2001. I was off on the year earlier. We took one of our males to run against him, and he couldn't foot up. We took Louis's Blue Man out to OKLAHOMA and he left them patches in the dirt. Blue Man was only a 13 inch dog running against the 15 inch patch dogs. It was 1 against 5 their. So, I only seen the two sets of patchs in them kennels, but I have seen a couple trialing. I did not say I wasn't a fan of them. I said they did have star qualities, but foot was not one of them. Also said that, I was not trying to base the patch line on the few dogs I have seen, that I would like to see a fast one. Again, the post is to see strong and weak points in the bloodline and foot was the weak point i saw. Don't take it personal please, because this post is not to make peaple mad , it is to make people learn. I have learned I must have watched the slowest patch dogs in the world. I can tell that because people are shocked I put that.

[271rockridge]

I bred a bitch to to Oak Groves Sniper Patch that G R Dinius owned in Howell MI. around 01 or 02 I killed hundreds of rabbits over the bitch and a pair of pups from that cross.Went to OK and bought a pair of pups from Dennis Goad (Superior All Patch Kennels) they were not as fast as the ones Sniper threw.Mr. Peters won the world hunt with a bitch named Dixie that came from Dennis.Now all I run is Turbo and Ninja hard hunt, big nose,plenty of foot with control and all yeah bluetick

[hubertsoutlaw]

Is was going to say the same thing as rockridge. Oak Grove Sniper Patch is the dog from MICH> Dennis Goad( Superior AllPatch Beagles) is From Oklahoma. The best patch dogs I have seen is out of Run N Gun Bill Patch. I ate my words already. My uncle bought two male pups that he called Viper and Venom. Venom was a fast patch hound but viper was not. He just was medium, but hunted. That ia where I have based my opinions on. Out of the dogs you see here.

[S.R.Patch]

Thanks for the info. , as I said, I'm not upset, just curious.
As said, I saw Sniper as a two year old, so don't know how he finished out or even if he was put in trials.
Thanks again