Which is harder to accomplish IFC or World Hunt Winner

[JUDE]

Mike , I got an idea . Since you seem to think it's easier to make a IFC Why don't you just load Honey up and make
an IFC out of her this weekend .

I don't own any champion dogs and haven't been to many field trials but I like to think I'd know better than to keep breeding a female that lacks hunt and throws that lack into her offspring in order to better my kennel .

If this has anything to do with the worm infested puppy I bought from you sight unseen years ago . You need to get over it . I doctored it and sold it !!! No hard feeling but I would expect more from such a professional houdsman like yourself .

BTW : Two houndsmen that actually own IFC or FC hounds both gave thier opinions and if I'm reading correctly they both stated that the best dog could go home a "loser". Argue with them as I'm sure you're closer to thier level as a trialer .

If you wish to discuss it farther then answer the questions I asked you in the earlier post . Be honest with yourself and it will help you to be honest with others .

[mike crabtree]

Mike , I got an idea . Since you seem to think it's easier to make a IFC Why don't you just load Honey up and make
an IFC out of her this weekend .

I don't own any champion dogs and haven't been to many field trials but I like to think I'd know better than to keep breeding a female that lacks hunt and throws that lack into her offspring in order to better my kennel .

If this has anything to do with the worm infested puppy I bought from you sight unseen years ago . You need to get over it . I doctored it and sold it !!! No hard feeling but I would expect more from such a professional houdsman like yourself .

BTW : Two houndsmen that actually own IFC or FC hounds both gave thier opinions and if I'm reading correctly they both stated that the best dog could go home a "loser". Argue with them as I'm sure you're closer to thier level as a trialer .

If you wish to discuss it farther then answer the questions I asked you in the earlier post . Be honest with yourself and it will help you to be honest with others .

This has nothing to do with the Pup you got from Zach. It has everything to do with your smart run other people down attitude.
I dont know where you ever bought a pup off me??? Think back you bought that puppy off Zach.

Another thing. I never said Honey would make IFC, or never did I say making IFC was any easier than the World Hunt.I had no opinion util you ran your smart mouth.

I just dont like it when someone trys to run down other peoples accomplishments when you have no clue. Honey may lack hunt at times, but its like this she Jumps more rabbitts than most dogs she is running with. Even if they do hunt harder.
I like how I gave you some information about my own dogs in private, now you want to use it to run me down. I have nothing to hide in my dogs as you could tell when I explained The good and bad of mine to you.

Now if we ever meet dont dare come up to me trying to talk to me. I have been nothing but friendly to you , and gave you a lot of good information. Now cause i call you on some Bullshizz. You wanna throw stones. You are no houndsman or MAN for that matter. 3 years ago you had more questions than a toddler, now you know more than anybody else on here.

I am done with you so Ill leave it at that, or I may say what I really think.

[Cove-Creek]

Jude,

Mike is right, that pup came from my house and not his, here is a pic from when I had the litter to confirm it. The lemon and white one in the center.



Sorry it ended up being wormy, I had wormed them every two weeks at my house, and you seemed very happy with it when you got it. I remember you posting pictures of it stacked up and you talking about how much you liked it and everyone else bragging on it. Mike is right he never touched the pup except for doing you the favor of getting to KY, I know that he doesn't have any issues over that deal, but it sounds like you do.

Again sorry you had bad luck with the pup, I know the one I kept never had any issues, and mike kept one too that grew nice and pretty.

[J.C. Blair]

Crabby, don't let the nay-sayers get to ya. You're a well respected guy in our circle and have accomplished a lot this year that most would love to be able to do. And we've had a large time traveling the country this year. Of course with trialing, there is some luck involved, but ya gotta pack some dog power to do what you've done. Beware of the ankle biters when you're on the ladder climbing up. Just do like the rest of us, and kick em to the bottom where they are used to being.

Its like I've said before International FC, FC, CFC, LMNOP, XYZ, whatever.....its a huge accomplishment to me. But what do I know, I'm just a crazy hillbilly from Pike County.

[JCM]

Crabby, don't let the nay-sayers get to ya. You're a well respected guy in our circle and have accomplished a lot this year that most would love to be able to do.

I agree Chad. BUT, if he wears that stupid spiked hair Jarrod look-alike hat to many more hunts we may have to see if he is gunshy, just to protect the reputation of ARHA.

[J.C. Blair]

Crabby, don't let the nay-sayers get to ya. You're a well respected guy in our circle and have accomplished a lot this year that most would love to be able to do.

I agree Chad. BUT, if he wears that stupid spiked hair Jarrod look-alike hat to many more hunts we may have to see if he is gunshy, just to protect the reputation of ARHA.

Jim, he's not gunshy, he proved that at the bar in Cambridge. Wait til you see the hat I am going to wear at the World hunt.

[snowhound]

Having had dogs in all formats: UKC, ARHA, CKC and AKC, I would honestly say much more of an accomplishment to be an Int. Ft.Ch.
Not that it takes anything away from the other 2 formats ( UKC & ARHA) but much more is expected of the hound to be an Int. Ft.Ch. First of all, many more and different judges look at the dogs. Even if they judge according to the rule books, there is still a lot left to interpretation. For a hound to place/win under many different judges means the dog is doing something very right. Also, the Int. Ft.Ch. has to run in many different circumstances. In our own case, for instance, Int. Ft.Ch. Branko's Ali-Baba: he ran hare and cottontail and swampers. He went from hare one weekend, to swamper the next. Plus, he was handled by a number of different handlers. Only the really tough hound both physically and mentally can do this. And not too many can.
Many more trials are required, placing lots of pressure on the dogs ( never mind the owners) and yes, it IS hard on the pocket book also.
I am sure though that when given the chance there are UKC and ARHA champions who can do the same. How many is the question.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Frieda Krpan

[JUDE]

To start with I wish I never had posted my opinion but I did . Read what I wrote and don't assume what I was talking about . You called me out I didn't call you out . When I made the post I never imagined Mike Crabtree would take offence to it .Why would he . I'll be the first to admit that I'm a nobody in the trialing circle .

Zach , the puppy had no issues after it was doctored . Do you remember selling him to me ? Did you get the money ? If so then I appologize to Mike for that statement . Mike got harsh with me over me telling him about the puppy being wormy . I always thought the pup belonged to him . Mike even offered me a refund but I felt by his words that it would have been on bad terms and the trip to VA was not for me . As best I can remember I told him no and sugar coated him the best I could . I didn't want a refund and I really didn't want him mad over the pup .

Chad , I have nothing to gain by cutting Mike or his dogs . Instead of consoling him you should tell him to leave me alone . If he hadn't ran his mouth on me then I can gaurantee I would never had started with him . You know as "smart" as I am I can't figure out why he takes offence to ONLY my post

Mike , Don't worry about me ever coming up to you . This makes the second time you've had problems with my post when it was none of your business either way , that's not being friendly . When others post in the same manner you say nothing . You should have just voiced your opinion and kept your mouth off me . I hope this is the last post by both of us on the subject as my only qeustion is to Zach .

As for Joey the others who have posted thier opinion on this matter . I appologize for overshadowing the post with needless bickering .

[mike crabtree]

Thought better of it. Dont want a lawsuit for threatining!

[TC]

Mike your ALWAYS WELCOME in this part of Kentucky....Dont know ya as well as Some do But have Always Respected your Ways...

[J.C. Blair]

Chad , I have nothing to gain by cutting Mike or his dogs . Instead of consoling him you should tell him to leave me alone . If he hadn't ran his mouth on me then I can gaurantee I would never had started with him . You know as "smart" as I am I can't figure out why he takes offence to ONLY my post

Thanks for the advice of what I should be doing. Also I'm old enough to know not to tell a grown man, what he needs or should do. All Mike was doing was defending something he believed in, and in turn you took some private matters that the two of you had discussed and turned it against him, trying to make him look like the bad guy. That lost the little bit of respect I had for you. And if you don't know, IFC stands for International Field Champion, NOTInternet Field Champion I guess this makes me look like a bad guy, but my friends are my friends for a reason.

I'm done.....good running to you all.

Blair

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Having had dogs in all formats: UKC, ARHA, CKC and AKC, I would honestly say much more of an accomplishment to be an Int. Ft.Ch.
Not that it takes anything away from the other 2 formats ( UKC & ARHA) but much more is expected of the hound to be an Int. Ft.Ch. First of all, many more and different judges look at the dogs. Even if they judge according to the rule books, there is still a lot left to interpretation. For a hound to place/win under many different judges means the dog is doing something very right. Also, the Int. Ft.Ch. has to run in many different circumstances. In our own case, for instance, Int. Ft.Ch. Branko's Ali-Baba: he ran hare and cottontail and swampers. He went from hare one weekend, to swamper the next. Plus, he was handled by a number of different handlers. Only the really tough hound both physically and mentally can do this. And not too many can.
Many more trials are required, placing lots of pressure on the dogs ( never mind the owners) and yes, it IS hard on the pocket book also.
I am sure though that when given the chance there are UKC and ARHA champions who can do the same. How many is the question.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Frieda Krpan

Amen sister.Winning anything is hard winning anything on a regular basis is darn near impossible.Dogs power should swing the stick not 50 dollar hands shakes and buddy judging, as for me i will continue to strive to bring the best a game to the table as possible. Dogs are better than days of old but i believe people in all formats have lost the love of a true jump dog not enuff emphasis put into a dog that makes races.Not scoring checks.




Sincerly--Jimbo aka internet field champion aka the prez.

[Cove-Creek]

as my only qeustion is to Zach

Do you remember selling him to me ? Did you get the money ?

Yes I do. Yes I did. Again I appologize. Sorry you had bad luck with it. I wish thats the one I would have kept and you would have got one of the others that didnt have problems. He was on the same worming schedule as the others and I kept worming them every two weeks after he was sent to you just like the bottle said to do and I never had problems.

Have a good one.

[Joeyman]

I want to be an Internet Field Champion too.........

[Joeyman]

On a more serious note - Its nice to see opinions from people who have IFC's and World Hunt winners.