Overly Competitive Dogs

[Dale L.]

I don't want to start an argument but I have to admit when reading the original post I wondered if he had some Turbo blood in him. My experience with this line has been that many will have this competetive attitude. Not saying all Turbo bred dogs are like this. And I love their hunt. I have a pup that has turbo heavy on the dams side and his hunt is awesome. I have not however decided if he is going to be too rough for me or not. I have also seen Turbo bred dogs like this that will calm down if soloed alot. However due to most peoples time constraints they do not have the time to solo every dog they have as much as needed. Once again I am not knocking Turbo bred hounds as many of them are great rabbit dogs. I just believe that if you like a real smooth running hound you may want to look elsewhere for a bloodline.

[WELLS WOODS]

Don Hoog told me Blue Iris was like that. He said she could have made FC, but was too competitive & rough for AKC Mid-West. I doubt if it is coming from the Blue Ninja stuff; the ones I have seen are very conservative; actually not competitive enough for the Mid-West. I had one like that once & I put her in a clear cut every day solo until she could absolutley run a rabbit to death in that thick stuff; she ended up making a great dog. I wouldn't give up just yet; especially if it can solo a rabbit like you say.

[zander]

Many responses about the style and bloodline. How about some examples(opinions) of the not overly competitive bloodlines.

[tom summers]

This is a pressure issue. If he runs fine by himself but gets rough with other hounds it is pressure we all give it lots of other names but I think that is so we can justify it. ( Myself Included). I have had hounds like this in the past and I am sure I will get more. In the past most have matured out of it at various ages from 2 - 3 1/2 yrs. some are late bloomers. I would continue to run the dog with 1 or 2 at the most hounds but makesure they are close working dogs , if they are rough this will not help the dog . By being close it will force the hound to buckle down in the area of the loss. Hopefuly it will get tired of not getting the check and come around.As it gets older and hopefuly better then you can increase the size of your pack.

Hope this helps
Tom

[JCM]

Many responses about the style and bloodline. How about some examples(opinions) of the not overly competitive bloodlines.

I have seen a lot of hounds that go back to Jack of All Trades that are rough when young, but settle throughout their life and make great rabbit hounds.

The only line that differs is the cross mentioned by Wells Woods. The majority of hounds that I have seen out of Jack X Elk Creek Blue Babe that produced Turbo start rough and stay rough.

Crosses back on Ninja (Jack), with Copper Boy, Mark V's Ace In The Hole, John Sexton's females (of which a lot go back to Copper Boy from Sam), Northway, and back on other lines from Jack all produce dogs that run more rabbit and settle in the chase as they get older.

[tenntreedog]

If you dont like him let me know .I like that ped.dont mind the swing.

[Kevin Dowell]

This male of mine was the first beagle i ever owned. I got him when he was 7-8 months old. Took him out and he started the second time out. He minds better than my kids, handles like a dream, great kennell manners. He is all buisness when it comes to a rabbit. When he opens the rabbit is up, and he loves the gun. My kids would disown me if i ever sold him.

Thanks a million to all that replied. I am still learning and don't know jack sh!%........... all i know is to keep feedn em bunny tracks.

[mybeagles]

feed him a three pound steak before you turn him loose he will slow down, hopefully he will calm down with age

Thats a great way to kill a dog in case anyone has considered doing something like that. There stomach can flip which is a miserable death for a dog.

Mybeagles

[bradadkins]

is this dogs name Adkins Blue Blazer?? just curious

[Kevin Dowell]

no, but i think he is a full brother to him

[ohlinger]

do you like the dog or not ? if not get rid of him if so keep him. I think you have figured out for yourself, nobody has the right answer for you. Some good advice and some not so good good luck with the dog. My experience training is just as important as genetics. The best bred dog in the world ain't gonna hunt if it don't get the time put into it. Most dogs if ran right will settle down with age, "I don't care who ya are". Keep running him with the dogs that have him getting rougher and you won't get anywhere solo time teach/encourage him the way you want him to be running with lots of pressure is gonna encourage the wrong thing. How much do you like him, how much work do/are you willing to put into him ?

[bucks better beagles]

Ohlinger is exactly right. You either accept the way he is or get rid of him. Nothing will change that. He intends to get on the front end and that is not all bad if you like it. When he gets too old to compete, he may relax a little but I doubt it. JMO

[Jr Walker]

I own a female that is like what ur talking about (get to front no matter what).....when shes run ,worked solo and in shape shes very hard to beat but takes time in the field which I dont have much anymore .....shes been entered 5times in trials since she got FC in little pack 3 of them are wins...2nd. place in reg. hunt (got beat by 10points) and the other was a state hunt where I hadnt run her but once in the month before it.....That sort of dog is a great little pack dog...only down fall is if they are up against a hound just like them then one is gonna kill their self getting to the front but making big mistakes trying to do to much...Ive seen dogs that were front dogs and worked with soloing and u just couldnt touch them...im talking 50-85yards into of the pack running the rabbit their self