WHAT'S MY SPEED

[BCBeagles]

John,

You have a couple nice dogs, bottom line! Most guys if they weren't huntin' wind splitters would do well
to hunt dogs that run a nice rabbit like yours. Compared to what I call medium. I would call yours medium.
About a 5.5. They have good control. What I typically call upper medium is dog that comes out of a check
a bit more intensely. That is what I like, personally. With about two more gears for those days when they can
run one hard! I am sure you don't have trouble knocking down some bunnies with those dogs. Good videos.

[beaglerun]

John,
Thank you for putting your dogs out there and asking the question. I've often wondered how other people rated speed. Some of you may have seen this video on another board, but I just wanted to know what speed you would consider him?

He is struggling to run this rabbit, but he keeps it going and circles it a couple of times. Let me know what you think.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 1035302647

Thanks,

BeagleRun

PS

Here is another video of the same dog and his littermate sister. In this video they are running a little faster.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9248582580

[Briarhoppers]

Someone on here commented that they thought these dogs were slow. I (along w/ most) were calling them med or about a 5 on a scale of 1 - 10. We all rate dogs differently based on what we are use to seeing in our area. If I can walk and keep up w/ the dogs then I'd call that SLOW. If I can run and keep up w/ them w/ out cutting corners, I'd call that MEDIUM. If I have to run hard and cut corners to keep up I'd call that MED FAST. And for FAST - I just wait on the road to watch them come back by.

As I stated earlier, I like the ideas of gears better than talking about track speed. A beagle should run as fast as conditions allow. In my book this means that if the conditions are ideal and they can run a 8 they should, but if they are content to just jog along at 5 then they are not my style of beagle.

There are basically two types of hunting beagles. Those that are content to RUN THE TRACK. And those that RUN TO CATCH the rabbit. Its just a different mentality in the beagle. You can watch the dog for 1 min and determine what type of dog he / she is. And it doesn't necessarily have to do w/ speed - although most run to catch dogs are more likely to be med fast - fast dogs. You could have a conservative RUN THE TRACK dog that is a upper med at a 6 and you could have a more explosive RUN TO CATCH that also runs about 6.
-Pete

[Alabama John]

Pete I agee completely.

You can also watch a dog hunt for a few minutes and see what its looking for, whether a rabbit track, or for a rabbit itself. Most AKC dogs look for a track and more grade dogs look for the rabbit. I prefer those that hunt for the rabbit itself.

AKC trials have always, since its beginning judged solely on running track style and ability and that's why. That's what trialers bred for. To Win.
These good looking dogs run a track like AKC dogs should. I'd bet my hat they are AKC registered! I also bet they run little baby rabbits tracks too.

The two dogs in this video would be considered very slow here. The rabbit was way ahead. Easy to video though.

I was impressed how they stayed on and ran the track through all that farm stuff. Sure enjoyed their mouths.

I'm being honest, mine wouldn't have done near as good a job running track in all that farm stuff. They would of scattered and one would of seen it and ran it down, or into another dog. Either way, it probably would of been caught or holed up.
Difference in dog styles.

Neither one is right or wrong. Run what you like.

[ringtail]

ID CALL THEM A LOW MED BUT I WOULD CALL THEM GUNDOGS,,,,,,THIS STYLE OF DOG KEEPS THE TRACK GOING LESS BREAK DOWNS MORE CHANCES FOR SHOTS,,,,,,,,

[beaglerun]

Thanks for the replies guys. I needed to know what others considered that kind of running. Any of the guys who have seen my dogs run in person and in the videos have all noticed how slow they were running in the video. Like I said, that's not their usual speed. However, I am glad that they can gear down.

I just can't get good footage of them when they are strung out on one. They have caught rabbits before, and I'm not talking about catching one after an hour of running. Last season they caught one in less than 200 yds of jumping it. I thought they were in a check, and had lost it. Then one of the guys came from the other side of the gully and said, "Man your dogs are right on the other side of the gully eating that rabbit."

Alabama, you are correct. They are AKC dogs, but most of their pedigree is of ARHA LP dogs. I have some grade dogs also that used to lead the pack. The only difference between them and these dogs is the way they work a check. My grade dogs tend to reach out a little earlier.

http://espomagazine.com/pedigrees/6263.htm

Yall post some video of the fast stuff (assuming you can keep up with them), I'd like to see what it looks like. I keep my camera in the truck, and the next time they are rolling one; I'll try to get some footage of it (assuming I can keep up). Let's keep this post going, I am always looking to see which direction I might want to head in.

BeagleRun

[Briarhoppers]

I was actually still commenting on the first set of videos - sorry for the confusion.
-Pete

[rabbitearl]

I can tell that the smelling was not good.I would bet if it was, that dog can stay on the fast side.I sure would love to see a video with a 10 speed running rabbits never seen one.I seen were they run it a little but not far.Somebody show me a 10 speed that can run a cotton tail.I thought that first pack was a 7 cause I could tell on a good smelling day they would go faster. Tell how they stop, smelling want that good.I know you might be saying I cannot keep up with my dogs.I can still hear.They are supose to bring him back.I m not trying to be smart but never seen it.So I can tell the guys around here a 10 speed can run a rabbit.I went with a guy this year that had fast dogs they spend more time looking the rabbit were they lost it than running.Had the most rabbits go in a hole that day too.Sorry yall but never seen it on a cotton tail.

[Shotgun John]

What is the speed of my dogs.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBCm3nUAkkU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Dao-PaRIY

I would like to thank all of you for your opinion. This was my first year of having beagles and the two female pups were the first rabbit dogs that I 've trained. I am pleased with them and enjoy hunting with them. Even though I don't have dogs for sale, I've had people calling me and emailing me asking about my beagles. Most want to know what speed are they and I've been say medium,medium slow. I personally think they are good little rabbit dogs.

[zander]

John,

You have a couple nice dogs, bottom line! Most guys if they weren't huntin' wind splitters would do well
to hunt dogs that run a nice rabbit like yours. Compared to what I call medium. I would call yours medium.
About a 5.5. They have good control. ( What I typically call upper medium is dog that comes out of a check
a bit more intensely.) That is what I like, personally. With about two more gears for those days when they can
run one hard! I am sure you don't have trouble knocking down some bunnies with those dogs. Good videos.

BC, what are some bloodlines that produce these type dogs?

[Shotgun John]

They have a little of this and a little of that. Here's a few names mentioned in their ped. a couple generations back

FC LAUREL HILL LITTLE SAM
FC POST OAK LITTLE NIP OTIS
FC RANDY'S BUDDY CROOK
FC COLEMAN'S CONTROLLER'S KID

[BCBeagles]

John,

I hope you don't mind if I give Zander my answer to the question he posted.
Zander I am hunting a line that has a lot of Dingus Macrae in it. In my opinion, they
produce a real solid line of upper med. to fast dogs. They would probably be considered
the Midwest style, if defined generically. John's dogs in the video are classic AKC spo style
for my area. Real good control and medium foot. These also make potent gun dogs as his video
shows! I personally like a little more speed with control, only my preference, nothing against solid
medium. I know of a real good litter of pups right now with 1 female and 3 males available out of the
Dingus line and Indian Hills stuff. There should be some rabbit dogs out of this litter. I am getting a
female myself. These pups will be upper med. and run to catch style hounds out of a real good reproducing
male and a solid female, no junk. John, no intentions to steal your post. Thanks much!

[Shotgun John]

John,

I hope you don't mind if I give Zander my answer to the question he posted.
Zander I am hunting a line that has a lot of Dingus Macrae in it. In my opinion, they
produce a real solid line of upper med. to fast dogs. They would probably be considered
the Midwest style, if defined generically. John's dogs in the video are classic AKC spo style
for my area. Real good control and medium foot. These also make potent gun dogs as his video
shows! I personally like a little more speed with control, only my preference, nothing against solid
medium. I know of a real good litter of pups right now with 1 female and 3 males available out of the
Dingus line and Indian Hills stuff. There should be some rabbit dogs out of this litter. I am getting a
female myself. These pups will be upper med. and run to catch style hounds out of a real good reproducing
male and a solid female, no junk. John, no intentions to steal your post. Thanks much!

no problem, I got confused on which dogs he was asking about.

[Shotgun John]

You can also watch a dog hunt for a few minutes and see what its looking for, whether a rabbit track, or for a rabbit itself. Most AKC dogs look for a track and more grade dogs look for the rabbit. I prefer those that hunt for the rabbit itself.

AKC trials have always, since its beginning judged solely on running track style and ability and that's why. That's what trialers bred for. To Win.
These good looking dogs run a track like AKC dogs should. I'd bet my hat they are AKC registered! I also bet they run little baby rabbits tracks too.

The two dogs in this video would be considered very slow here. The rabbit was way ahead. Easy to video though.

I was impressed how they stayed on and ran the track through all that farm stuff. Sure enjoyed their mouths.

I'm being honest, mine wouldn't have done near as good a job running track in all that farm stuff. They would of scattered and one would of seen it and ran it down, or into another dog. Either way, it probably would of been caught or holed up.
Difference in dog styles.

Neither one is right or wrong. Run what you like.

Yes they are AKC reg. Here's a link to their ped. The two running brace Josh and Mae. Annie is Mae's sister and hasn't had quiet as much time on the ground.
http://espomagazine.com/pedigrees/9592.htm
http://espomagazine.com/pedigrees/9601.htm

[wvduece]

i dont belive i could get a good video of my dogs when my dogs are in a check maybe when one of my dogs grabs a check if the other dogs arent right on top of him when he leaves with the check they will be 50 to 75 yards behind in no time they come out hammering if i were gonna just gun hunt to kill alot of rabbits i would rather have some slower dogs most of the time when i see a rabbit with my dogs after it its only a blurrr hard to kill alot of rabbits like that ily just pleasure run kill a few but not many bet i havent killed 10 in the past 5rs nothing wrong with slow or med dogs its what each individual likes jb