Culls

[B-man]

Hey Crittergitter where you at in the great state of Michigan? up/lp?

[Shotgun John]

My question is, are field trial dogs the only route to "better" the breed?

I don't think so.

[crittergitter]

b-man , im in Ohio , Muskingum co. i cant even say that M-word here !

[crittergitter]

why are so many beaglers selling their culls instead of doing what it necessary to better the breed?

sorry i got off topic , the answer is simple " because guys like me still need rabbit dogs " and most , reguardless of what they say, just want some pups and dont care about bettering the breed , "bettering the breed " is just a sales pitch ! ( buy from me )

[mrbazile]

why are so many beaglers selling their culls instead of doing what it necessary to better the breed?

sorry i got off topic , the answer is simple " because guys like me still need rabbit dogs " and most , reguardless of what they say, just want some pups and dont care about bettering the breed , "bettering the breed " is just a sales pitch ! ( buy from me )

Well there are some tru houndsmen and women out there who care about the direction our sport and dogs take and there are those who only want to peddle pups and sell culls to make a few bucks to each's own.

Bettering the breed being a sales pitch I dont think so.

[crittergitter]

explain to me how you , me or anyone else is going to better the beagle breed ! lets say you or i master a breeding plan and develope a line of dogs that are far superior than anything else , or better yet , we breed 1 super dog , and everyone and their brother is breeding to it , or breeding to every relitive it has out there because of the name , for generation after generation , how is that bettering the breed ? if they cant breed to it they will breed to a littermate , son or daughter , what ever they can get there hands on that carry that kennel name ! now lets say you have a true super dog , what would a stud fee for a dog like that run ? $200 , $300 ? higher prolly , are you going to personaly watch every female that wants breed to it run ? reject the ones that arent worth breeding or the ones that arent up to your standards and hand pick the ones that are trully a good match for him and only breed to them , I DONT THINK SO ! your going to take your oultrageously high stud fee and run , not carring how the pups turn out , because there not yours ! how does that better the breed ? people need to get down off there high horses , most people , ( admit it or not ) are only concerned about what directly affects them !

[crittergitter]

My question is, are field trial dogs the only route to "better" the breed?

I don't think so.

i dont either and ill take it a step further ! ive seen alot of grade dogs that would make a real improvement on the breed !

[mrbazile]

As I stated before its a individual effort meaning if everyone who breeds, trails or hunts culled hard and selectively breed good hounds to good hounds you would have a minimal number of culls V/S breeding dogs with inferior traits just because their paperwork will look good and the pups will sell at a high price.

And yes I have seen grade dogs that would greatly improve the breed, I dont think the dogs know if they are regestered or not.

[mtnwaykennel]

I have been made fun of at times for my "for sale" ads when I decide that a hound is not for me. Does that mean the hound is a total cull.... NO! It just means that he does not fit me. As for the "better the breed" theory... there is no such thing. Some think that the fast hounds better the breed why some think that they ruin everything a hound should be. It is all in the eyes of the beholder. I think the only "better the breed" theory that holds water is weeding out genetic traits that should not be passed on down the line.
The fact of the matter is just be honest, there is no such thing as perfection, just find the hounds that fit you... with wrongs and rights that you can live with! Every hound I have culled... I had a reason to cull. Does that mean that I am pawning hounds off on people to make money.... hahahaaha hell no. I lost 300$ on the deer running Northway male I just sold. The gentleman that bought him in northern Virginia apears to be very happy with him.
Just my thoughts... for what they are worth.

Bill Woods

[DRamey]

A lot of questions about how much a good hound is worth get answered when you buy a pup from good blood, feed it, medicate it as needed, haul it back and forth to the briar patches, listen to it open its first time, and shoot rabbits over it a year later. You have a fortune in feed, wormer, papers, meds, gas, etc. I have owned beagles for 38 years. I have purchased pups, bred hounds for my own pups, and bought and have been given grown hounds. To date, I have owned one, that is ONE hound that I didn't raise and train myself that I was happy with. I got him from a friend who was having a problem with "chemicals." When he comes to me, ready to get back into beagling, if it is 20 years from now, I will hand over to him as good a hound from the same blood as I own. I know of a guy who won't pay less than $1000 for a running hound, claiming that if you want less than that, the hound must not be very good. I only wish I had some used cars to sell him. Raise and train your own pups, get them past the "teenage" period, and they will be much more "YOUR" hounds.

[old blood beagles]

Wow guys, I did not know that putting a price on a "culls" head would create such a debate among fellow beaglers.
From some of the post that I have read, it sounds like some guys dont mind paying 200 for a fully started backtracking, ghost running, blind, two legged dog with a 4 inch over bite. LOL, just kidding guys.
The reason that I did put a price on this topic is because I believe that the price should reflect the hounds ability in the field.

[Alabama John]

You can buy a good hunting and running dog here for $100.00 or so. Most are broke off deer as there are so many.

For an exceptional dog it is around $300.00. A friend just paid a man $500.00 for one by offering that for it. Had sentimental value I guess.

On this board I have a cull to most folks for sale for $500.00. Why? Because most on these boards think that its worthless unless its high. I'd even take $1,000.00 for him if it would make the purchaser feel any better and have more confidence in the dogs ability!!!

We aim to please!

[TC]

are you going to personaly watch every female that wants breed to it run ? reject the ones that arent worth breeding or the ones that arent up to your standards and hand pick the ones that are trully a good match for him and only breed to them , I DONT THINK SO

your WRONG!!!!!
I Answer YES to all the Above..
Thats Why We Dont usually Stud out our hounds..
We breed For US not others....
And YES Some of US TRULY Care About the Breed...
Some of us actually have a Breeding program in place and Stick to it.
We Dont breed to the Flavor of the month or What is Winning.
We LOOK at the Lines and how it Can HELP OUR Program...
the ones we Do Sell We Get our price For..
Why because We can...And those that really Want What we have WILL PAY that price or buy from Someone Else..
We Wont Sell to Someone that Does not have a CLUE
to those that Say HECK i Could get 5 for that Price all i say is then GO buy Em...
And good luck to ya...

[crittergitter]

TC , my hats off to ya , you are one of the rare few ! but i all fairness it wasnt directed to you ! i see Mrbazile never answered the question !

[crittergitter]

old blood , for me it was " anything sold for less than $750 is a cull " actually , to me anything sold is a cull ! ,