patch hounds

[reddog1]

I had 2 patch hounds that i bought from a guy in eastern Tennessee and I culled them both because they were not what I thought a patch hound should be. The breeding was based on a single stud dog that in my opinion did not throw good pups. ( Both pups had cherry eye and crooked front legs and had trouble even running ) I will not name this breeder because thats between him and I. I will say this, I personnlly know several Patch breeders that truly care about the patch bloodline and only breed to keep the line the way it was intended to be by Willet. But like all bloodlines there are those that breed because of a name of a field champion 4 or 5 generations back and those that breed to better the bloodline itself. Be careful who you buy from. I know that I will only deal from a select few.

[reddog1]

Like I said in my previous post I will not name names but I must say that It WAS NOT PLOWBOY OR LOUDON RIDGE PATCH KENNELS I have only great respect for both of these guys.

[Bells Run Kennels]

Like what you feed...and feed what you like. I have run with them and run against them. i have seen some good ones and I have seen my share of poor ones. It all seems to depend on what the breeder is emphasising in his program. I have seen some SUPER fast ones that do nothing more than cause a series of 100 yard dashes because they are so loose in the check areas and i have seen some that are a step too slow for most guys but these ones tend to work out a nice check. For a while Patches were tearing up the ARHA but thats because the scoring system rewarded a dog that was fast and created a lot of checks.Better judges figured this out and stopped rewarding the dogs that didnt have the original line.... Asking a question that is so broad about a whole breed is like asking if you like Fords or Chevys....everyone has an opinion. I would say go out and watch the parents of the dogs you are interested and see what they are like. Dog salesman will lie sometimes but the dogs generally tell their own story on the ground running a rabbit. It is up to you to decide if you buy that particular type or not.

[PREACHERS,KENNEL]

shadygrove i bought both of those dogs from tommy .......i have everything but a 1st in lp and pp in both divisions , seems that 1st keeps eludes me ..... couple times i got ripped and a few times i just got beat in the finals ,, but hey thats how it goes ..i go for the fun of it but know i have dogs that will do well yes that dog that wont place in trials got 5th at the tenn state hunt!on about 75 % he was sick ..

[LR Patch]

Shady Grove Beagles , Sometime we need to look at the source ( SP kennel ) not saying anything bad about Dennis as I know very little of his breeding program. This I can say I don't and have never trialed much so I can't say what of how my hounds would fair , I just never seen where run'n a dog for 1 hour at a time would prove what a dog was but I respect those who choose to show thier hounds that way , I can also say that cuz ( Plowboy ) has trialed some with his and has won the TN ARHA little pack state hunt atleast once and I'm thinking twice and placed others in hunts around TN. KY. & other states as well as our friend Billy that has several GrRCH in little pack and several others that have cuz as well as mine ( pups ) from our respective kennels that do rather well according to reports from the new owners.As far as foot I don't worry ever about being out run and I'm sure there are some that can but I wouldn't call skirting , slashing to the front being out run . I know Ken Hill & his boys & his hounds well and have run with and against them when & the few time I did trial , they have hounds to be proud of and have done more than most with thier dog and for ARHA and I have the highest amount of respect for them. I'm pretty sure I know you and meet you at 1 of the old Mid-State club ( TN ) several years ago . Each of us do & try different cross's with what ever line of hounds we have , some work , some work well & some fail. I'm not trying to say Patch hounds are what all should feed , to each his own but for my money I'm feeding the line of Patch I got and would love to drop some out with your pack sometime.
Randy

[lowell robertson]

I agree with Junpdog1, I have a pack of hounds here in Russell Springs, Ky. and all came from Plowboy's and Billy's dogs. I don't trial but if someone wants to run rabbits for six or eight hours, I don't mind to put my pack down with any pack. They are not super dogs, but as a pack they will be in a long and hard race until the end and they are blessed with brains.

[tiffinis]

I dont trial, but my freezer is full. Nuff said.

[hillbilly]

well i think trying to put a SPEED on what a person would consider a patch hound vaires so much if you have only seen the more conservative side of patch then they may not do as well in the little pack style of trials but patch breeding is just like any other their are GREAT BIG difference's in speed. as for what i run i would call them about a 7 on speed and would compare them real close to the pine mt breed hounds that i have ran all my life. and alot of it goes back to digus just like the shake rag that the patch was compared to earlier. but i had a little female patch hound that was as fast a any dog i have seen run a track. so bottom line just because a person has seen 2 or 3 patch hounds run i don't think they have enough information to make a judgement. their is a HUGE range of patch dogs from what i have seen and the line has been taken in alot of different directions. big,small,med,medfast,fast,big nose,not so big, you get the pic. its all in the patch line and i like what i have pretty good........

hillbilly

[Shady Grove Beagles]

Geez Guys
I almost hate to put anything on here as you Patch folks seem a little defensive.I'm just adding MY first hand perspective from what I've seen from a few of the Patch dogs I've run with and what friends that had some told me about theirs. I'm Not downing the line or critisizing what any other folks like or keep.I didn't say ANYTHING about Kenneth,Nick or Brad Hill who I consider friends and Hillbilly I didn't "compare" the Shake Rag dogs with Patch dogs and I'm certainly not"making a judgement"I simply said that the fellow that said his Patch dog didn't have enough foot to suit him usually kept dogs with Shake Rag breeding and I plainly stated that these were three particular dogs that I had SEEN,nothing more.And Tiffinis,whether you trial,I trial or anybody trials is really a moot point.I know many guys that have beagles yet shoot on the jump and their freezers are full of more rabbits then I would dream of killing but what's the point?
And who said anything about the hounds that were able to run the front and get more of the "rabbit running work" done over the previously mentioned 3 hounds exhibting the faults of skirting,slashing or cheating to get the front???? Sometimes those front runners just happen to have more ability.
Well,as Richard Nixon once said"Peace in our own time".

P.S. I go by Shady Grove Beagles but I by no means try and hide behind it.My nane is Dana Robinson-Manchester,Tn and yes we did meet years back at a trial.I would be happy to turn some dogs out with you someday and listen to the music.We are building a house in east Tn. so that opportunity might present itself in the future.
Take care
PEACE!!!!!

[doubleb]

Dana this is brian burrows from ocoee beagle club just checking to see where your building and when you will be in the area me and greg hooper and jack stewart would like to get together an run some we got a couple of good spots to run also jack is running a couple out of your stuff there out of ironman i think greg got him from you we bred a superdog bitch to him were running mostly heli prop superdog crosses and lumberjack supedog crosses so we should be close in style should mix well just let me know Brian sorry about jacking the thread my opinions on the patch dogs wont fair much better than dana so ill just apologize a head of time

[tiffinis]

Tiffinis,whether you trial,I trial or anybody trials is really a moot point.I know many guys that have beagles yet shoot on the jump and their freezers are full of more rabbits then I would dream of killing but what's the point?

All I meant was I have nothing to compare to when they were talking about trialing the patch line. Have never even been to a trial. All the beagles that we know in the area and hunt with are slower hounds that tend to run at the mouth. That is all I can compare to. I have never claimed to know all about beagles and as most know have only been beagling for going on 4 years so I know I have TONS to learn. I can honestly say I have never actually seen the rabbit jump, by the time I see it, it and the hounds are in full bore greyhound style race. If you have seen photos of our Sage stud, you can see he is muscled like a greyhound. But he will work, race, finish off and retrieve more rabbits in a day then some of the packs we work with.

We like what we feed.

[PREACHERS,KENNEL]

dana i dont think anybody was mad or made slurs at you , which if they did i would defend you as i consider you a friend. but were the dogs you were talking about ur friend haveing was the friend tommy davenport? if so i have had the same dogs and have done well with them , if not then i dont know what dogs you seen unless it was ted.. and he had long john which was probably the fastest patch i have seen maybe!

[j243whitetail]

I bought both of my patch dogs from breaders that are very carefull with what they are putting together. Both of my dogs run like raped apes and I can't ask for anything more.

[purepatchshiloh]

LOL LOL LOL I was just reading and had no intention of posting until i saw the "raped apes" comment. oh man that was a good one. I don't know how raped apes run but i can imagine!

[Philip Brewer]

If you are talking about any dog you need to watch them run and see what you like. Everyone sees dogs a different way and NO two people are alike. The only way you can try to choose the right dog for you is to watch them run and see what you like. You can read all the post you want but without doing your homework on watching the dogs run no matter what anyone tells you, you are still shootin in the blind.