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No Grain - Natural grain-free formula with vitamins and minerals offers your pet nutrition for health and vitality. All Life-Stages Nutrition - Formulated to meet the nutritional needs of your pet throughout all stages of life, from puppy or kitten to senior years. Roasted Quail, Roasted Duck & Smoked Turkey - Found in our Wetlands Canine Formula. Lean protein, roasted and smoked for great flavor. These ingredients offer highly digestible protein to help your dog maintain the sleek condition of good health. Roasted Bison & Venison - Found in our High Prairie Canine Formula. Lean meat, roasted for great flavor. These ingredients offer highly digestible protein to help your dog maintain the sleek condition of good health. Roasted Venison & Smoked Salmon - Found in our Rocky Mountain Feline Formula. Lean meat, roasted for great flavor. These ingredients offer highly digestible protein to help your cat maintain the sleek condition of good health. Smoked & Fresh Salmon - Found in our Pacific Stream Canine Formula. Rich in omega fatty acids, these ingredients offer highly digestible protein to help your dog maintain the sleek condition of good health. Protein Blend For Optimal Amino Acid Profile - Amino acids are the building blocks for a healthy body. Multiple protein sources ensure that adequate building blocks are available to meet your pet's needs. Ocean fish meal provides the added benefit of marine source omega-3 fatty acids, important for a healthy immune system, healthy skin and a shiny coat. Digestive Support System - Dried chicory root, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, fermentation solubles and extracts all work together to help support a healthy digestive system. Antioxidants - Antioxidants protect your pet's body from damaging free radicals. Fruits and vegetables provide natural antioxidants and guaranteed levels of zinc, vitamin E and selenium help support optimal cellular health. Omega Fatty Acid Blend - Omega-6 and Omega-3 fatty acids work to together to help maintain healthy skin and a shiny coat as well as overall good health. Sweet Potatoes - A power packed vegetable! Rich in dietary fiber, vitamins A and C, iron, calcium and beta carotene, this is one ideal complex carbohydrate source that provides all day energy. Blueberries & Raspberries - Berries are packed with powerful antioxidants to help keep the body healthy as the days go by. Tomatoes & Tomato Pomace - Natural sources of antioxidants and vegetable fiber to help support overall good health. Chelated Minerals - During the digestion process, minerals are attached to proteins for absorption from the digestive tract. We include proteinates in our recipe to help promote easy absorption for optimal mineral nutrition. Dig Deeper
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I started using it this week and the dogs are doing fine. I feed about a cup and a half - the directions say for a dog 20 - 30 lbs to feed 1 1/2 to 2 cups per day. I've already noticed that their coats
look better and their stool has firmed up. The one drawback some might have from this product is it's made by Diamond Dog Foods. I've never had a problem with them (never tried it though).
I liked that the food has no corn fillers... it smells like salmon too! My running buddy tasted it and said it even tasted good to him! I'm not going that far but I'll take his word on it!
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When you feed a food with less junk, you can actually feed less food. I go through a 40 lb bag of food a week, but every 6 bags I buy I get a bag free. I am feeding 5 beagles and 2 labs. So 2080 lbs of food for the year costs me $1462 which amounts to .70 per pound for a better quality food. Healthier dogs equals less health problems, less vet bills an better performance. Seems like a no brainer to me! I am feeding Professional Chicken and Barley.
HarleyPA wrote:I don't mean to be a jerk here, but for over a dollar a pound.... What are you thinking?
Just curious?
I have never tried TOTW, but have actually not heard any bad reports on it - this is with both show and hunting dogs. It looks like a great feed on paper, but I admit I'm still leery of trying another grain free after our horiffic experience with Wellness CORE.
That being said, most of the feeds I've used have been well over $1 per lb. Not because I've got nothing better to do with my $, quite the opposite is (painfully, lol) true. Flat broke here When you look at a feed, you need to consider several factors which make up the final purchase price ... quality of ingredients, the vitamin premix, research & development, and the manufacturer's cost for raw ingredients vs. the sticker price. That last one is the most telling, as when you figure what their profit per bag vs. the price is, you get a better understanding if the meat in the food is something scraped off the rendering plant floor or a product with actual fresh meat trimmings in it. So, if you are buying a feed that is $18 for 50lbs, the purchase price includes the cost of making the food plus the several dollars profit the manufacturer needs to make on each bag. Figure the actual cost of making that food was $10. There is no where on this green earth that you can acquire 50lbs worth of decent quality scraps AND a vitamin premix for that price.
I have tried feeds ranging from ultra expensive to grocery store quality. I like the mid grade ones the best, ones like Pro Plan, Blackwood, Nutro, Healthwise, Evolve, etc. They are all around or over $1 per pound, but I just don't see how wise it is to be frugal on the most important aspect of raising dogs, especially hardworking rabbit hounds who really burn up every ounce of nutrition in their feed. JMHO.
THE BRAIN wrote:What problem did you have with wellness core just wondering?
Two of my dogs went hypoglycemic on it. EXTREME lethargy within the first 2-3 days of being on it, this continued until they both had a hypoglycemic fit 48 hrs apart. I had those two in to the Vet for blood tests which showed a blood glucose level of about 38 for one dog and 42 for the other - days after the seizures. Also cholesterol & BUN was elevated indicating stress on the kidneys. They were drinking/urinating copiously (all of them) but were still dehydrated.
Another dog had two bald spots, and all had dull coats. They were on this food about 2 weeks and it caused a great deal of damage. I was just talking to someone who took one of my retired bitches ... he tried this food on his other dog a few months ago and had bad results as well.
Not to beat you up brother, but just playing devils advocate here. I feed One when I run the dogs alot, I think the last time I checked I am paying around .75 to .85 cents a pound. When summer rolls around I switch to regular dog chow. I like Doritos and fritos, so I think my dogs should too.
I had to read your post a couple of times to see your point, and I agree, to make good stuff you have to spend money to buy better starting ingredients. Here's where I don't agree. If I am going to produce a dog food based on meat....
A. I am not going to a local butcher shop and buying his trimings. I am going to a major packing house, where they buy live cattle at .50 to .60 cents a pound( last I checked). If they are selling steak to major chains for 4 or 5 bucks a pound, doesn't it make sense that they will sell trim for cheaper than what they bought the cattle for? Say 30 or 40 cents a pound. So, how much would it cost you to buy fifty pounds of non rendered beef? Even at fifty cents a pound thats 25 dollars. Add your vitamins to that, and it's still not a dollar a pound. so you could add in profit, and still come out a dollar or less a pound. JMO
B. Just because the feed lisits Salmon, and sweet potatoes, and all that other stuff, doesn't mean that it was fit for human consumption. You could be feeding your dog fish tails for all you know, with some half rotted potatoes to boot. I think these type of feeds have come out because some people feel their dogs should eat as well as themselves, and they have the money to buy into it.
I'm not saying that I don't want the best for my dogs.... But, how do I measure what the best for them is? For me, if my dogs have a lot of energy and can keep weight on when I run them hard, then its perfect. I just had mine at the vet, and he commented on their coats, and how nice they were. He disagrees with my choice of feed. He felt Purina was "crude".
I'll just add to point A above. Now figure that a lot of companies don't use regular cattle for their feed. Figure on downers and rendered cattle. How cheap could you get a downer for? Couple of bucks for a whole carcass? Rendered cattle... You have to pay to have someone come and pick them up. So, you are talking about dollars a ton instead or dollars a hundred weight. Now firgure out the cost of rendered beef in a fifty pound bag of dog food. It probably wouldn't be more than a dollar or two. Just something to think about.
All our stores around here that sell One it is over a pound. I cant feed corn, so it is out for me. But my MIL swears by it. When you get all our dogs together, the truth is her dogs coats and smell is MUCH worse then ours. Her dogs each poop 2 to 3 times a day. Ours each once a day. I figure that speaks for itself. Not to mention her dogs all eat almost double the serving size which means in the end, she is spending quite a bit more to keep dogs in quite a bit less condition.