AKC measuring at Jessamine Co.

[Bev]

It would be a good thing to maybe start another topic about the probability of making a profit in the sport. It seems a few want to debate it here (including myself) and we should probably keep this one on measuring. Anyobody wanna start a new one?

[tandd]

You were not called out. No reason to. Seems to me alot of people make judgements that haven't been down that road. Sorry you took personal offense to my opinion. And I don't do feet, especially one's that have judged over 100 trials.

[Backwoods Kennel]

Sorry Bev but it sounds like you are going back off your word.

" " " Some Board Changes, Listen Up!" " "

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We have a PM feature if you want to object to something. If you think you are at liberty to embarrass us or hold our feet to the fire over something, you are wrong. We will start deleting any and all posts we find to be of an insulting nature that are aimed at those providing you this forum.

and...

To show you that I'm not going back on my word, consider yourself warned.

Hey Bev.

That sounds good to me.Go ahead and take me off this board.Who cares all it is is a alot of CRYING any how.
See you guys later!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Consider it done.

[Ridge View]

tannd,

Trying to Pm you but not working but I'm still in this tub of water I cant get out of can u help LOL! Soon as I figure this pm thing out we will talk.

Bev it would be great to start the new thread but i'm not sure how many would own up to making a profit.

[mybeagles]

I will never understand why guys keep reading and commenting on a posts they believe are stupid or a waste of time. 4-5 guys commented on what a waste of time they thought this thread was and how they wanted 30 minutes of their life back.

For goodness sake, if your not smart enough to realize something doesnt interest you I dont know what to say. Do you also catch yourself reading the phone book for hours before you realize your wasting your time?/????

There are many threads on here I dont bother to read. Read the first post or two, if its not my thing I hit the "go back button" and find one that interests me. Correct me if Im wrong, but there are 20+ categories on this board so everyone can find a discussion to fit their interests. Sounds like the crying is comming from those who cant find people that want to engage in topics they find interesting.

Many of us have seen this oversize dog issue grow into the monster that it is and are very happy something is being done about it. If thats no interest to you, pick anther topic to read and comment on......

There is a difference between attacking a person and attacking an idea or subject. If Bev boots everyone that has an opinion or disagrees on how to do something there would be no one left but a few guys that agree on everything and wouldnt disagree even if they didnt believe it. I disagree many time and people think Im a "know it all", but many times I do it to dig a little deeper into the reasoning of their beliefs. I have disagreed, even when I agree just to see how a position is defended. Dont be so sure you know a person based on what they post in a chat room

Mybeagles

[drifter22no1]

or you could commit forum suicide lol, hilarious

[TOPGUN]

I just bought a new little male. He can fly. I`m gonna need to get him official measured I believe. He`s gonna be pretty close and might go over if I feed him to much. But i`ll just go ahead and get a card on him to be on the safe side. He`s a handsome little redtick male. Here is a picture of him a few months ago. He`s grown a little but I think he`s still under 13 if I don`t get cheated.
My new 13 inch male. I just bought him. LOLOLOLOLOL

BIGRED

[mybeagles]

by danny vansickle on Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:22 pm

"no,i know when too big is too big,i have a dog out of my iron eagle male bandit,he is the one i refered t in the earlier post,hell of a hound but right there at the line,it is dogs like that that i think need to be oficial measured,cause if someone wanted to prop him right,he is over,wouldn't take much.but standin natural,he is right at 15,full 15" baron won't measure out,i am sure of that.

danny vansickle on Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:31 pm

i is who i is,jimbo!!!!
i have never,ever measured a dog and can honestly say,i never will.

....REASON IS IF A 1/2 INCH BEATS MY DOG,WELL THEN I GUESS I CAME UP A 1/2 IN SHORT,I SAY BRING EM ON,IT IS THE LIL ONES THAT SCARE ME,THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOOP YA,CAUSE IN LP ,MOST PEOPLE TRY TO RUN BIG HOUNDS,SO WHEN A GUY WALKS UP WITH A 13 IN DOG,I KNOW IT MUST BE TOUGH OR WHY ELSE WOULD HE BE RUNNING IT?

Interesting quotes from the past......Danny I think its going to be better for you in the long run to finish your hound in the 15" class. You wont have to run a stud add, because everyone already knows who "Bandit" is. I think I will name my next male pup after him......Ill be his first fan.

Mybeagles

[ncbeagler]

some people amaze me that they think their above the rules and how disrepsectful they are toward others in the sport and AKC. mybeagles a lot has been exposed. a scripture in the bible says what you try to hide shall be shouted from the roof tops.what so ever is done in darkness shall be brung to light. i want to start a new topic *should a breeder of a dog judge the pup he once owned"? i seen one win some trials that shouldn't have wins by the breeder- people were upset big time. i wil not hijack this one though as some appear to have tried to distract already.

[Newt]

Don't want to debate with you, I read the post when it comes to measuring and I always see this mentioned but very rarely do you see anything about dogs that just don't like to stand under the bar. I just wanted to let people know that may not be experts on the matter. TC it is obvious you spend time showing your dogs and that is fine. My dogs are just as friendly as yours, I assure you of that, but I spend my time running them not working with them on the bench. If that is what you like great but I don't know why you can't understand it. Its not that hard.

Well if the AKC says it is a requirement to enter one of their events, Show or Field, then it's the owner/handler's responsibility to pose the dog for an accurate measurement.
Why is that so difficult to understand. It's an AKC rule.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Its to bad about bandit .Truth be he is big along with several others.Danny needs to hush at times instead of talk. I got the same problem. Life goes on and there is plenty of oversized dogs left to measure. It just aint my gig, basically i could give af less. Lets move on.
1500 post about how akc is great and how akc sucks. Total hateraide at its finest.

[TC]

Well if the AKC says it is a requirement to enter one of their events, Show or Field, then it's the owner/handler's responsibility to pose the dog for an accurate measurement.
Why is that so difficult to understand. It's an AKC rule.

PROCEDURE 3. MEASURING
3-D
The contact bar shall be loosely placed across the
shoulder blades at the highest point, the hound standing
in a naturally alert position with the head up but
not stretched upward and with its feet well under it
and forelegs vertical on a flat, level board with a nonslip
surface, placed at floor or ground level. The contact
bar must never be set in advance at a specified
height, but may only be set at the height of the particular
hound being measured. The hound shall be
posed for measurement by the measurers, and once
the reading has been made, no additional measurements
shall be taken.

[main event`s beagles]

i just checked out the midwest stud dog page. i think i counted 8 hounds. ther are a few dogs i have never seen anything out of or placed. but atleast two have been breed alot in the last couple of years. i have seen and read pups for sale out of those two all the time. where i am goingwith this, have they recouped the wages it took to get them to this point. a stud owner would have to answer that and they know what offspring has done well. i wonder how many are officialed. you can look at fc deatons bo right off and can tell he is 13 inch male. 15`s not so easy. when they come kicking down the big class you will be done no other place for you to go. so atleast you have somewhere to go if you measure out of 13`s.


someone going to pick a mans dog out of a kennell isn`t right without permission

[warddog]

TC has just copied and pasted the rules section that addresses the "POSE" and by whom it will be conducted by as cited in section 3-D of the rules. This is but one rule requirement and there are many more as it relates to measuring of dogs such as is cited in Chapter 9 on Description of classes:
At a licensed or member Beagle field trial, the regular
classes shall be:
Open Dogs not exceeding 13 inches in height.
Open Bitches not exceeding 13 inches in
height.
Open Dogs over 13 inches but not exceeding
15 inches in height.
Open Bitches over 13 inches but not exceeding
15 inches in height.
Also bound in the Standard Procedures Governing beagle field trials under provision 3-A which states "At ALL beagle field trials hounds will be measured in accordance with the following procedures," and the rules go on to address many issues in 3-A through 3-D including making provisions for measurers to refuse to measure any hound and that "Official measurement cards issued by AKC shall (will) be subject to revocation AT ANY TIME.
It appears to me as an outsider looking in that the rules are pretty well written but it appears that there are those that want to read what words they want to apply and then omit those that they don't. A law, rule or regulation is enforcable as a totality of the parts thereof and not as a single or hand selected group of words. Oh yeah, I almost forgot to add this section of 3-D: "The owner or handler of a hound on which an official measurement card has
been issued who has reason to doubt the accuracy of the official measurement, MUST report his opinion and the reasons for it to The American Kennel Club." I see no provisions in this language to mean if a dog is measured little or big but rather if the owner has reason to doubt it's official measurement regardless of what it is.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

It wasn't that long ago there was a thread on here questioning the size of a dog caled Mr. Wilson. Don't know the dog or owner just pointing out that Bandit is not the only dog whose size has been questioned lately.

Not saying there is anything wrong with calling out oversized dogs or dogs being run too big for there class by any means, but how come the only ones people have much to say about and gripe about are the ones that have been winning a lot?

Good point, if people can not win then they get on a public forum and call dogs out. Maybe we should start measuring the owners, seems like more than enuff have the terrible disease called short man syndrom. I have said it before and will say it again , i will not measure a dog out at the stake in arha. If people would re-evaluate there breeding program and admit to themselves they have mostly nothing.Field trials are for promoting dogs but as the internet has weaved its web.It has ruined more than a few good dogs thru he said she said bullshit. I dont even enjoy dealing with people any longer much less watch grown men bob the knob in hopes of a good luck from someone that could possibly read this that maybe just maybe it will help em get thru a round. Cowboy up boys, the truth is harsh . The only people getting f----- is the judges that put the measurment on bandit. And yes i know em all and yes they can judge my culls anytime.Keep on putting the heat maybe you could that get his ass burnt next. I hope poopsickle runs Bandit in the big males and finishes him, Then what are you saints gonna bitch about?