This is what this post sounds to me.
Sorry but this is a alot of CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This post should have ben gone a long time ago.EVERYONE
NEEDS TO GET A LIFE AND STOP `S and ing. Don`t care who gets mad at me.So what!!!!!
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There are stud dogs that do make their owners a profit, but I would say they are a major exception and not the rule. Most are trying to see if their good dog can make more good dogs for people and validate the dog's quality, and if they can recoop some of the expenses of campaigning the dog, great. Have you ever had a dog at stud? It's a pain in the arse and can take a lot of your dinnertimes and weekends away from you. Besides, "profit" is not a dirty word, and coming out ahead is not a sin if nobody's getting screwed in the process. It's simply a sign of a good money management. Hate me for it, but that's how I feel.
What did I miss, Backwoods? Why would you make an ugly post and then call me out 2 minutes later on a second post? What am I missing here?
TC it is obvious you spend time showing your dogs and that is fine. My dogs are just as friendly as yours, I assure you of that, but I spend my time running them not working with them on the bench. If that is what you like great but I don't know why you can't understand it. Its not that hard.
I do understand that not everybody wants to Show thier hounds, but Any time you field trial you are SHOWING your hounds..
We also have hounds that we Do not Activly bench Show. and yes they will Cower a little when approched BUT it does not take any time at all maybe 2 min every time you pick your dog up and SHOW it a little attention. you do Do that right? When you pick them up after a Day of running do you look them over for injurys cuts Scrapes ect.? Give them praise for a job Well Done. that is the perfect time to Stack em up!!!
or when your putting the e collar on em..Do you lead train your hounds? Another perfect time to practice the stack or stand command. getting them used to standing for inspection....so 4 min or so each time you run your Dogs..
makes a world of Difference...
AGAIN A DOG MUST Stand to be measured or it is DQed.....
From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be
Bev exception to the rule? Not trying to be an azz but 3,000 for campaigning can be recouped in 15 breedings and less than that if you breed your own bitches and sell the pups. Not saying at times it cant be a pain in the azz owning a stud dog and dealing with alot of crap but come on. A crappy stud can make the money back easily before people find out the stud isn't worth breeding to. Locally if pushed a stud can quickly breed to 10 bitches and most breeders have at least 2 bitches to breed to. Say they have only 5 pups each. Let's take a minimum of 3 pups sold at a minimum 100 dollars. Out of 2 bitches you have recouped 600 dollars and before u say i know there are expenses to raising pups but it again goes back to the truth we as beaglers are lying to ourselves to say that a profit or large revenue can't be made on a stud.
BEV SOME OBVIOSILY ARE MAD NOW CAUSE ALL THIS HAS CAME OUT.MAYBE THEY THINK YOU SHOULD KEPT IT HUSH- HUSH SO IT COULD CONTINUE ANOTHER 20 YEARS.USUALLY WHEN ONE HAS THEIR APPLE CART KNOCKED OFF COURSE THEY HAVE A PROBLEM.I ADMIRE THE BACK BONE AND STANCE YOU HAVE SHOWN IN A SITUATION I WOULD NOT CONSIDER EXACTILY COMFORTABLE.I WAS VERY HESITANT ABOUT SAYING ANYTHING BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE GUTS TO TAKE A STANCE EVEN IF PEOPLE DO GET MAD. THIS THING NEEDED TO BE NIPPED IN THE BUD. THE POLL BY BUSCHBOUND INDICATED 69% FELT THEIR WERE PROBLEMS IN MEASURING.NUMBERS DON'T LIE NOR AN AKC REP WHO USED THE STAND PROPERLY BY ALL OBSERVERS WHO HAS 40 YEARS + OF BEAGLING EXPERIENCE.BRAVO STEVE C
Bev not saying a profit is a bad word. Anytime someone can make a honest profit I agree this is good business. However, it concerns me when I see people state "there isn't profit to be made in raising hounds" this is false. Done correctly a breeder can benefit from good judgement in breeding a solid line of hounds.
Ridgeview, I probably didn't explain it very well. Exceptions to the rule would pertain to the percentage of everyone who spend thousands of dollars campaigning hounds compared to the few who end up with FCs worth putting to stud. Think of how many people spend thousands of dollars campaigning hounds who never make a FC. Or they campaigned 12 in their lifetime and only finished one. That one stud dog is going to give the beagler his money back for all the dogs campaigned before him? He might make his money make and some on that one dog, but all said and done, you can bet he won't break even over his career. I'm saying there are many, many more of us out here who will never make a profit or even have a prayer of breaking even compared to the number who have.
There are many judges that "volunteer." They refuse payment or give it back to the club. Even if they are paid it is a drop in the bucket compared to expenses and the physical aches and pains they go thru. They do it because they enjoy it. Some of them even run in the off season so they are physically able to do the best job they can do.
As far as making money in beagling thru stud fees and pup sales, that very rarely happens. Just because a dog makes F.C. doesn't mean it will automatcally make a profit. Some of these guys do spend thousands trying to finish their hounds. I can't even imagine what the guys who win high hound of the year spend. Every weekend, all over the country, lots of do-ra-me. I finished a 15" male in the midwest, made 9 out of 11 winners packs, finished in 1 year from his first win, in limited trials. He has been bred exactly 1 time and that was to a female I had here who got killed by coyotes. Lots of profit? I can't even give a stud fee away. Most of us don't do it for profit. We do it for competition and just plain fun.
So unless you have been doing this a while, finished or tried to finish a dog, judged, been a club officer, or active member, you are just speculating, which is fine, just remember that you would be more informed if you actually get your feet wet.
AKC is taking a step in the right direction. Will it fix this problem completely, no. As long as human error is part of the process it will never be perfect. It is time they get more involved. They have been watching this happen for years.JMO (over 20 yrs of it)
Bev remember it is Ridge View 2 words not one. Lol! Thats a joke between us. If u remember that one?
If a person continues to put thousands of dollars into a hound that never makes a field champion thats silly! If I continue to enter dogs that can't place shame on me. Even a hound that places on a regular basis but just seem to can't get those wins to finish can still in my opinion recoup wages spent if can produce winners or marketed honestly.
your right many judges do refuse to get paid thus at that time they are considered volunteers. Those who do except pay are not volunteers. I myself very seldom do not except pay for being a judge but sometimes I do and when I do I'm a volunteer. Yes I'm one of those you mentioned that give there all and train in the off season to get in shape for trials. For you to say unless you have been there done that so to speak is offensive. But no big deal. Been doing this long enough. I am a judge (have judge 100 plus trials) active member, have been an officer (got a kid now dont have time to be officer anymore been President). Have a FC and won high hound 2 years consecutive, Enough said. You shouldn't have questioned I guess what u consider criteria to understand what it takes. Didn't specifically call us out but must have hit a nerve. No speculation and my feet are soaking could you please remove them from the water for me they are getting very wrinkled?
Ridgeview you have taken this off topic but i have to respond. Go ahead and make a profit from your hounds. If it is so easy to do go for it! I am sure not too many people will object until you are truly making a good hound.
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