AKC measuring at Jessamine Co.

[ackermanich]

And yes, i do agree if they will not stand the owner should try to pose them the best they can to be measured



That is exactly, what it was a philosophy. But you know, it should be about fun, it should be about promoting rabbit hunting, it should be about meeting new people. And it should be about the future of our sport, and the recruitment of younger generations. And good sportsmanship. THIS IS A SPORT. I don't know of anyone who has ever gotten rich over beagling, and if someone is in it for the money, or think championing out a hound to recoup expenses, is in it for the wrong reasons.My point is maybe some take it too serious, that's some of the problem now. I wouldn't want my son or daughter to even see the way half of these adults carry on. I was being a little sarcastic, when i said just run em, who cares what size they are, but do we care when we run with our neighbor? But i do understand this is a competition, and like any sport rules should apply. We are all spectators, and coaches, to our hounds, they should speak for themselves once they are cast in the field , we have little control over their ability in ( AKC MOSTLY IN REFERENCE). Bottom line----- people put people in positions whether it be judging etc. if the people don't like it change it. I don't know why i find myself constantly defending myself everytime i post , or somehow twisted point

[TC]

I never have understood a Dog NOT wanting to Stand..
I Have 15 Dogs in My kennel and Every one of them will stand up nice and proud..Even the pups!!!!
Guess it must be a Socialization thing as ours Are actually Worked With from 4 weeks on...

[Paul Curtis]

Don't want to debate with you, I read the post when it comes to measuring and I always see this mentioned but very rarely do you see anything about dogs that just don't like to stand under the bar. I just wanted to let people know that may not be experts on the matter. TC it is obvious you spend time showing your dogs and that is fine. My dogs are just as friendly as yours, I assure you of that, but I spend my time running them not working with them on the bench. If that is what you like great but I don't know why you can't understand it. Its not that hard.

[sctx]

I have a question that may or may not be related to this thread. If the AKC reps can over rule a measurement that is done by AKC approved judges--if they were to actually go in the field and dissagree with the placing the AKC approved judges come up with--can they overrule and place the beagles as they see them?

[jar242]

Settle this once and for all, take a picture with the dog being measured in "a natural stance" not squatting and post it on here for everyone to see, then there is no debate, he'll either be over 13 or not. Hell, use a tape measure with a right angle, anything, if it is close on a tape, you would have an argument but if it looks high, it will be high with a measuring stand. I have a dog that probably when walking is 12.5 to 13 but when she stands, she's 14-14.25 and to look at her you would think she was a true 13, and she looks like she would be towered over by Bandit from the pictures that I've seen, but I could be wrong, they can full you, so show us a picture.

[beagler80]

It wasn't that long ago there was a thread on here questioning the size of a dog caled Mr. Wilson. Don't know the dog or owner just pointing out that Bandit is not the only dog whose size has been questioned lately.

Not saying there is anything wrong with calling out oversized dogs or dogs being run too big for there class by any means, but how come the only ones people have much to say about and gripe about are the ones that have been winning a lot?

[beagler80]

I never have understood a Dog NOT wanting to Stand..
I Have 15 Dogs in My kennel and Every one of them will stand up nice and proud..Even the pups!!!!
Guess it must be a Socialization thing as ours Are actually Worked With from 4 weeks on...

TC i have never benched a dog in my life or worked with them to "pose" at all, just never meant much to me, and I have a few dogs that anytime you kneel down next to them or put anything strange near them they hunker down. And none of my dogs are shy in anyway, but I can see how all of yours will stand since you work with them from such a young age.

[RIDDLERUN]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THATS ALOT OF READING FOR NOTHING ITS THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! GOOD LUCK MAKING A POINT ,EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW TO MAKE THINGS BETTER BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING Y IS THIS???????? I JUST THINK THAT THERES ALWAYS A FEW BAD EGGS THAT RUINE THIS FOR THE REST OF US, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSE TO HELP THIS SPORT OUT WHEN PEOPLE COME ON HERE AND READ ALL THIS GARBAGE, SO WHO CARES VANSICKLE GOT IN TROUBLE FOR SOMETHING AND IS MAKING A BIG DEAL OUTTA IT WHATS NEW???????? (SORRY DANNY BUT THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME). I HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME IN THIS WORLD BUT HOW IS IT THAT I FEEL WAY MORE MATURE THEN 90% OF THE PEOPLE AROUND. BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME OR THE LAST SORRY IF I SOUND LIKE A JERK BUT I THINK ITS TIME WE ALL TAKE A STEP BACK FROM THE COMPUTER AND LOOK AT YOURSELVES.


IF THERE WASN'T ANYMORE FIELD TRIALS WOULD IT BE THE END OF THE WORLD???

DO YOU GET RID OF OUTSTANDING HOUNDS BECAUSE SOMEBODY SAYS THERE TO BIG TO RUN IN TRIALS????

WOULD YOU OWN HOUNDS IF THERE WASN'T ANYMORE FIELD TRIALS??

HOW DO YOU MEASURE YOUR HOUNDS SKILLS??

WOULD YOU KEEP A HOUND THAT YOU HATED ONLY BECAUSE IT DOES WELL IN FIELD TRIALS??

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS I'VE ASKED MYSELF THAT MAKES ME THINK A LITTLE CLEARER I FIELD TRIAL AS MUCH AS I CAN BUT IF THERE WAS NEVER ANOTHER ONE I DONT THINK I WOULD LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER JMO THANKS ERIC

[MasonsBeagles]

Dang I just lost 30 minutes of my life that I wont get back. I think Im dumber after reading this.

[ncbeagler]

A judge can not get a true measurement on a dog that won't stand.I have owned well over a 100 dogs in my life.I never had a problem with any standing.I hear how people hit them with ball caps, shock them , use a leash.Heck you know what you got just be happy to just hunt the dog rather than try to sneak them into a class they have no right to be in.According to AKC if the hound will not stand it can be DQed.it's considered to be poor judgement to make an assumption, and it's not fair to the others who have trained their hounds to handle.Some just look for excuses period, and some simply don't want to hear the whistle blowed.

[hubertsoutlaw]

Here is a question? If bandit measured in two times with out measuring over, except, when the reps measured him, he is ok. It is ok to measure in 2 out of 3 times. Them judges went though the AKC seminar and was issued a number by the AKC. They went out with us during the seminar and we measured. I personally saw dogs measure 1 inch difference during the seminar. They also took the test and passed. What makes the reps measurement different than the people they gave the license to? Jeremy

[hubertsoutlaw]

Also answer this. The AKC did an investigation on bandit @ 1 year ago. The dog was ok. Danny spent probably a couple of thousand dollars on expense on trialing in the years time. If he has his card pulled now, I would think the AKC owes him some money. No matter the size of the dog if it happened to you, you would be as mad as a hornet. If it was me the AKC should have stuck by what they said in the investigation, or during the investigation pull his card then. I have only talked to danny twice and don't know him very well. If this happened to anybody it would turn a stomach. It doesn't add up. Jeremy

[Tim H]

If the police let a speeder go by without pulling him over, does that mean the next time he speeds they aren't justified in pulling him over AND giving him a ticket? If you violate the rules you expose yourself to the consequences.

[Bev]

I don't know why i find myself constantly defending myself everytime i post , or somehow twisted point

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to put you on the defensive. I guess I was speaking on behalf of those who have invested a lot in the sport, and not so much for the money, but for the sense of accomplishment -- from winning and making something of their dogs/kennel by doing it right. I can understand where you're coming from, too. Me and a few on here have often talked about starting a format where no ribbons were given - no championships, just "a winner for the day", then cookout and cooler of beer to follow, lol.

[Ridge View]

I refused long enough to get into this debate which has been taken many different directions. I'm not going to debate the measurement issue.

Volunteer: I work for a non profit agency and have many volunteers who currently I supervise. First of all judges who get paid are NOT VOLUNTEERS! I even sat on a jury for a case one time that concerned people getting paid at a bingo hall. It came down to these people getting paid and they were convicted because a person paid according to law is Not a Volunteer! Not a big deal but I think we should be educated to what we are saying before we call judges that get paid are volunteers! They are not otherwise they would not be paid!

Also second of all for those that say there is not money to be made in beagleing in reality are mistaken just ask Branko Krapan. Before people say this they should sit down and do a budget sheet of expenses vs income after a dog has become a field champion or even before they get the title. Let me give you a short example. Many people say they have spent thousands of dollars campaigning a dog. Not sure I believe thousands but I would believe a figure closed to lets say a couple of thousand. Lets say 3,000 dollars. Ok the first several years of a Field Champions life you usually breed to people you know. Let's say you breed 5 females the first year at 200 dollars a pop. You are looking at 1,000 dollars. The next year the same so you have 1,000 more. You see the trend here. Like normal stud dogs it takes about 5 years or so before people recognize this dog is producing and everybody decides to start breeding to this hound. Once a stud gets hot alot of people breed to this hound. So the sky is the limit. If a dog is a great producer it is untelling the revenue and profit that could be made. So I really don't understand when people say there is no money to be made in beagles. This quick anaylisis doesn't include pups sold by owner of the stud and the pups sold out of his kennels and it doesn't include up keep such as other expenses like worming and etc...... So we are lying to ourselves to say a profit or large revenues cant be made by a FC Stud. JMO!