AKC measuring at Jessamine Co.

[JCM]

About a year ago, at a trial, an AKC rep told me this was coming due to the improper measurements. For anyone to think that this is about one man, or one dog shows a total lack of understanding of AKC. I am sure they haven't been having a bunch of meeting in NC saying let's get so and so, and to think that this is what happened is totally ignorant. This is about cleaning up a what AKC sees as a long-standing problem.

Whether you agree with what happened or not, this has been coming for quite some time, and is not going to end until they feel they have some of the measuring issue cleaned up (although it does sound like they made some progress).

[foxxy]

i hope ukc and arha follows suit on this

[Chief Long Hair]

I have just talked to someone in the know and here's the scoop, this all came from Mel Stewart when asked these questions.

Will all dogs involved lose their points and wins? All dogs that were remeasured from official 13" to 15" will not lose any points or wins, all that stays. They can never run in the 13" class ever again so they now have to finish in the 15" class.

Will the judges who officially measured these dogs be held accountable? Yes they will. There will now be letters of reprimand sent to these judges and a copy of it will go into their permanent record. If any of these judges collect a number of these letters, numbers not known yet, they will lose their judging license.

Did this event occur because of what was found recently on this message board? Come on, get real!!! This has been in the works for quite some time. Did anybody happen to notice that AKC now requires certain judges to attend an advance judging seminar? What do you think they talked about? It was in the works when AKC adopted this new seminar which came about late last year.

Is this AKC's "one-and-done"? OH HECK NO!!! Every format will be looked at, Brace to Large Pack and everything in between. They plan to hit about every trial in every format for quite sometime. For the judges who will be getting a letter of reprimand for what happened today, this may just be the beginning for them. They will receive letters for each violation from here on as well. These judges may be screwed already.

A comment was also overheard that one of the reps felt some of these over-measurements were blatant in nature and not well looked upon.

One more thing I might add. AKC will be sending new official measurement cards to these four dogs Monday. The letters of reprimand will soon follow.

I hope this helps to answer some of these questions.

[carn]

first off i would like to say i don't have a dog in this fight but some of the problem goes back to when akc give the class to get your cards when i got my card when the part came to measuring it was a total joke they had everyone measure the same hound that poor hound was 12" to 17" and not one time did the rep say which was wrong or right

[Truckers Kennels]

This is funny. One being that Danny's dog, from just looking, is at least no shorter than 14-1/4". Two, being that someone hasn't cut him off this website-and I hope they don't because I love to see what kind of stupid stuff he'll put on here. And three, being that no one realizes that if you beat people that have given away just as good of hounds as Bandit because they were 13-1/2", have trialed in AKC for 20 years AND know the reps, that you thought this wasn't going to happen for some odd reason?
And just for the record, I don't care what size hound is ran against me. I'd rather see them measure brains. And from what little I've seen from running with Bandit, he has a head full of brains

being that no one realizes that if you beat people that have given away just as good of hounds as Bandit because they were 13-1/2",

i will take any hound that is 13 1/2 that has brains like bandit

[danny vansickle]

am i the only one that has ran and won with a dog that is questionable?

you wouldnt believe the times i looked over at dogs on the winners bench that where standin behind that blue ribbon that had a good 1/2 in on my dog,but not a single word was ever said......


maybe i wasnt singled out,but it shure felt that way,the timing was unbelievable,there is only one thing that will make me think otherwise,if they acctually go through with this,but,i guarrantee you,one dog will get all the blame for this happening when people talk about it,and that is what i am afraid of,the backlash that will hurt my chances down the road when i have to run under people that lost their lisc,,official cards and ect.

that is what scares me,cause when people think about this,they will want to put the blame on someone,it is human nature,but today proved i was not the only guilty one of running a dog that is questionable,but like i said,nothing has been said about the other guys that got away with it without a word being said.............

[main event`s beagles]

asterick. i like the one dogs are over thirteen cause of the food. i guess i will be at dollar general tomorrow to keep mine under 13


danny we have all gambled before. it has to be hard to swallow but you can only control what you do. like this situation the chips are falling where they may. how many wins does bandit have? there is 4 people who measured your dog for a card. i dont know if any are repeats. this sends a flag up. people wondered where the 13 inch dog has gone well hopefully they will be back. it`s hard when you want 13 inch dogs and all these studs are 14 inches. dont take it so personal enjoy your dog for those who lose their license you wont have to worry about. this will have alot looking over their shoulder. most of us dont have a clue who the other 3 dogs were. you were the only one that answered up

[Truckers Kennels]

Danny, honstley how big is bandit by your measures

[bigdogpace]

well main event do u agre or disagree dogs r larger bigger boned than they were 42 yrs ago when i started . the feed is better the standard is out dated . u got growing aida vitimans im intitled to my point . please dont make fun of me .. but i was probally running hounds alot longer than u . i dont know. alot of hounds to day will measure out. over 15 maybe u should go to dollar general if your hound is to big

[hubertsoutlaw]

I don't understand something? It was ok to personally attack danny and his hound and no one was warned. Greenbay personaly attacked and wasn't warned. That doesn't seem right. Please don't lock the post because should danny get a chance to take up for himself. ........content edited................. Here is the point, if it isn't broke don't fix it. Some people can't stand to loose! When the measuring problem is fixed people will cry about something else. I am sorry and tried to stay out but this is bull .Jeremy Hubert

[main event`s beagles]

no i wasnt alive 42 years ago. i have spent my lifetime with hounds. the acceptable size have changed. i remember some peoples dogs never got wormed, had pups up under a house and all of them live, never had a shot in their life lived to be real old. we have beagles now leaving at 6 years old. not saying they didnt yeasteryear. i dont think they are living as long. can i prove it no

[mybeagles]

hubertoutlaw wrote: Here is the point, if it isn't broke don't fix it.


It is broke, thats why they are trying to fix it. I think this is the biggest breath of fresh air in AKC in a long time. I look forward to judging again where I dont have to be looked at like a crook for sending home oversize dogs.

You seem bitter hulbert, are you not happy that AKC is policing things up

Mybeagles

[Truckers Kennels]

Looks like ther might be some nice 13 1/2 to 14 1/2 hounds for sale in the near future

[Tim H]

No one could have been singled out or picked on if their dog was actually a 13" dog running in the 13" class. That's kinda like the speeder who get's pulled over doing 80mph in a 60mph zone and saying, why are you picking on me when there are a bunch of other drivers out here speeding? If he wasn't going 80mph, he wouldn't have been pulled over.

Oh, thanks for the info Chief, it's good to here the judges will be held accountable for this as well.

[bigdogpace]

i apoligze to main event i shouldnt have said what i did im just saying hounds r larger than they were for the most part than yrs . ago . i know they wont change the standard . but like i said alot of champion dogs will measure out. and the way u feed does determine size sometimes . i think standard should b 14 and 16 . but who am i.arha bigpack this year u can run 16 in.will some one answer my ? is adog over 15 A K C leaglle . should he b registered or not u see they only ask 4 male or female. i dont under stand since were talking size . danny jelaously is the cause of all sin think about it. i never saw your dog n person i dont know how big he is he looks good to me good luck.