The new 13 and 15 measuring thread

[ncbeagler]

OLD BLOOD BIG DOG (KIM NEWMAN) USE TO LIVE HERE IN CAROLINA BEFORE MOVING TO OHIO.HE WILL DO A 10-8 JOB TO COME UP WITH THE BEST HOUNDS.HE HAS A GREAT REPUTATION IS A DO GOODER & WELL RESPECTED BY ALL.HOPE YOU GUYS GET GOOD RUNNING.GOD BLESS!/GOOD NIGHT!Steve C

[mike crabtree]

Bigdog will be the black guy that calls his dog so loud he will hurt your ears!!!!!!!

HEMP HEMP HEMP, HEMP UNO HEMP HEMP UNO HERE HE GOES!!!!!!!!!!! LOUDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[old blood beagles]

Thanks Steve and Mike hope to meet both of ya at the trial if you can make it down.

[Big Dog]

You got it right crabtree, and I taught Alan to call them just like me too. LOL You gotta admit they do come when I call them though, mine and everybody elses too. Gotta get use to this Tallyho stuff in AKC, just doesn't sound manly. LOL

[mike crabtree]

First time we ran together all my dogs ran to you, they were sure you jumped a rabbt.

[tinymwoods]

I think Allen could call my dogs off a rabbit . They come running!

[BuschBound]

Danny, as far as the reading on Large pack goes I can't find anything about only saying O.K. or OVER on a measurment. I think that is something we as large pack clubs have done and became acustomed to.. I'm sure if the measurment is taken and read out loud I dont think anyone at a Large Pack trial would have an arguement.. We at Borderline beagle club have even wrote down the measurement down for each dog. That works great for the guys who have those dogs who have never been measured before and come back later and ask what they measured. Again Danny, if he is a borderline 13 1/4 You should go there and have him premeasured before the the 13"s run. But I think if a owner knows he has a 13 1/4" dog he also knows he has a 15" dog!!! Go on which day you think your dog is suppose to run on.I know some SPO clubs run there little males on Sunday after the big males have already ran. This running order has also caused some confilct with the measuring expecially on them 4 day trials. trials should be 13"s 1st then the 15's to follow. JMO. Guys who have true borderline dogs. 12 3/4" to 13 1/8" dog should premeasure before they run. same for 15" dogs. I go to a few SPO's and I always premeasure no matter what size dog I have. I don't want to get to the winners pack and be sent home before I can run it.. I have had a few times a dog of mine measured out. I was prepared for it one time and the other time it was a shocker!! it was an Official Measurement on top of it. One time drop..

If you have a borderline dog.. Be pepared to go home or run the next day if the rules allow you to.. Premeasuring is the only way to go. If he measures out of the 15's better luck next week.

Danny, If a guys walks up with a 13 1/2" to 13 3/4" dog to get measured into the 15" class which that is where he should be and the measurers measure you out. as being under 13" they should never measure again let alone judge!!!! It could be maybe thier buddy is affraid of the dog. But sometimes wierd things happen. I've seen it with a 14" dog. MEASURERS TAKE YOUR TIME!!!!

I'll post more on my Offical Measurment if someone wants to hear about it..

I also broke the rules of running an oversized dog. But that too is another story and I'm sorry that I did it. We all learn from the mistakes we make and we also can teach someone by them too.. I hope. I'll also share that experience as well if anyone want to hear.

[thornie]

Big Dog and Crabby, I think I'm a little better then Kim at getting dogs to come in. When you can stop a pack of hounds in full cry, after a horse fence has hit you on your leg and right testicle, I would say your a pretty good dog handler. But you only do this once.

[thornie]

Big Dog and Crabby, I think I'm a little better then Kim at getting dogs to come in. When you can stop a pack of hounds in full cry, after a horse fence has hit you on your leg and right testicle, I would say your a pretty good dog handler. But you only do this once.

[DoubleEagle]

Big Dog and Crabby, I think I'm a little better then Kim at getting dogs to come in. When you can stop a pack of hounds in full cry, after a horse fence has hit you on your leg and right testicle, I would say your a pretty good dog handler. But you only do this once.

Well you could do it more than once but who would want to?! Reminds me of the time my buddy failed to notice the hotwire when he went to take a leak...

[jdmart]

Greenbay,

Your idea of the meeting with AKC is what the Advanced Judging Seminar has been about. It covers topics that people have questions on and need clarity, every association has or is having one.

[ackermanich]

As stated earlier in a post 'A hound should not be measured unless it will stand". I personally do not agree with this statement. I know there are guys out there who work with their hounds to manipulate them to cower when being measured, but i also know of instances where a hound may not stand. I have seen 14" hounds cower being measured into the 15" class. It was obvious they were under 15", they simply didn't like being put under the stand. Now should this handler spend the time working with this hound to get him to stand? and what if he never will stand? Should we consider this dog not a trial dog because of his inability to stand under a measuring stand. Isn't this all about rabbit hunting? Am i going to leave this dog at home when i go rabbit hunting because he wont stand? I don't think so. The problem is there is no accurate way of measuring hounds. We need to take a hard look at the people who are put in charge of these clubs, and have the faith they are making the right choices. I think some common sense should come into play when measuring a hound. I personally feel giving a hound a 1/2" leadway and a little common sence is the answer. NO one knows what what any of these dogs measure at any giving day except for the guy, or guys who measured them, and no one knows what what the stance of the dog was under the stand that day either. I am surprised i haven't heard the complaint about running 12" dogs in the 13" class. You know the one where the 12" hound has the advantage in thick cover over the 13" hound, because it is smaller and can crawl through the thick stuff quicker

[hurryup]

I am not that worried about running with a little bigger dog. But if it an issue why not measure every dog at the club before we paint numbers, or enter. UKC does that. Not saying they have the answers but it can be done. All the measuring in the world does'nt matter if dogs are not measured accurate and honestly. Another idea would be to have AKC have official stands. Metal ones with a drop bar from same manufacture at each club, so there would be consistant equp. Still comes back to honesty.

[Bev]

...I have seen 14" hounds cower being measured into the 15" class. It was obvious they were under 15", they simply didn't like being put under the stand. Now should this handler spend the time working with this hound to get him to stand? and what if he never will stand? Should we consider this dog not a trial dog because of his inability to stand under a measuring stand. Isn't this all about rabbit hunting? Am i going to leave this dog at home when i go rabbit hunting because he wont stand? I don't think so.

Let me play devil's advocate here. Yes, the handler should spend time teaching him to stand for measurement. It doesn't take that much time. He should stand to be painted, too. It's part of trialing. Especially AKC trialing, which is mostly what this concerns. The AKC rule book also mentions that a dog should handle. Do you spend time teaching your dogs to handle? Most people do -- especially those who hunt them. Yes, they are hunting dogs, but if you plan to trial them, then they need to be put through the paces. My $.02

[Big Dog]

Hey Bev, You been to a Large Pack trial lately? I think that handle rule was thrown out long ago. LOL