Take A Look
T Thynes posted this on another post, I watched it this morning, there is alot of truth to this. I just happen to watch Almeda West, veteneriary, when a puppy was brought in for parvo and it had its shots.
http://www.oldcountryvet.com/
Last edited by thornie on 01-21-2009 at 02:12 PM
this was on ukc web site makes a lot of sence to me anyway
Lets hear some opinions on this vets veiw,
I tend to agree with him as my grandfather always had hounds and I dont know him to ever do anything but worm his dogs after they were older than 6 months
FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
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FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
BOB POST
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
I found it interesting till... He says he's only seen a case of Lymes Disease in over a decade. The University of Minnesota only sees 1 case a year???
Come on... I get 3-4 come down with it every year. I've had 2 over a year and half that had neurological difficulties from Lyme. If you've ever had one that had neurological issues from Lyme you're not gonna play doctor at home... Also, if Lyme is attacking the cardiac or neurological you will not see much if any improvement in 5 days, first hand knowledge. May be some good info in the book but playing Lyme off as uncommon and simple leaves me suspect on some of the other info also.
I also notice also under heartworms he uses the word infected. The problem is there's a big differance in a dog having Heartworm infection and having Heartworm Disease! I would think he would mention that to not is wreckless, imo.
From what is there to sample I wouldn't buy the book. Most of the info is out there already or can be attained by asking for free.
Come on... I get 3-4 come down with it every year. I've had 2 over a year and half that had neurological difficulties from Lyme. If you've ever had one that had neurological issues from Lyme you're not gonna play doctor at home... Also, if Lyme is attacking the cardiac or neurological you will not see much if any improvement in 5 days, first hand knowledge. May be some good info in the book but playing Lyme off as uncommon and simple leaves me suspect on some of the other info also.
I also notice also under heartworms he uses the word infected. The problem is there's a big differance in a dog having Heartworm infection and having Heartworm Disease! I would think he would mention that to not is wreckless, imo.
From what is there to sample I wouldn't buy the book. Most of the info is out there already or can be attained by asking for free.
Our Dirty Pond Beagles "Heaven goes by favour. If it went by merit,
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
3 or 4 of your dogs get lyme disease every year am I reading this right
I am only 44 and have had dogs my whole life and Ive never had a dog get it
I am only 44 and have had dogs my whole life and Ive never had a dog get it
BOB POST
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
Would you know if one did? There are no signature symptoms, Lyme is the great imitator. I wish Lyme had classic symptoms that it always follows but that's just not the case.
Yes 3-4 a year for about the last 3 years straight. I find it hard to believe I know more people that have had Lyme then a vet has seen in animals in a career. If that's the case he has no experience to speak on the issue merely opinion. Opinion is what costs $$ at the vet, here try this and come back in 2 weeks...
Here's the facts MN Dept of health had 1239 cases of Lyme in humans in 2007. Yet the University on Mn has only seen a case a year in animals? Come on, this is a joke.
If you look on the net you will also see he's been disciplined by the MN Vet Board. I'd call what he was disciplined for to be a vet I'd avoid. I guess he's what we would call a controdiction. He should practice what he's preaching.
Yes 3-4 a year for about the last 3 years straight. I find it hard to believe I know more people that have had Lyme then a vet has seen in animals in a career. If that's the case he has no experience to speak on the issue merely opinion. Opinion is what costs $$ at the vet, here try this and come back in 2 weeks...
Here's the facts MN Dept of health had 1239 cases of Lyme in humans in 2007. Yet the University on Mn has only seen a case a year in animals? Come on, this is a joke.
If you look on the net you will also see he's been disciplined by the MN Vet Board. I'd call what he was disciplined for to be a vet I'd avoid. I guess he's what we would call a controdiction. He should practice what he's preaching.
Our Dirty Pond Beagles "Heaven goes by favour. If it went by merit,
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
you would stay out and your dog would go in."
-M. Twain
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
My personal dealings with lyme disease is that it a joke and if it's serious, you aren't going fix it totally anyway. Took my dogs to the vet for a checkup, "You hunt those dogs ?", yes sir I do, I'm told I should have the tested, not knowing any better, I do, like $75 bucks per dog, one comes back negative, one has what amounted to be a trace of lyme disease, here buy this prescription, gave it for a year, get a renewal from the vet, dog needs to be tested again, yeah right, i said screw it, that doesn't sound right. Now after some reading and all, seems that most dogs at least have a trace. Then I was told I should give the medicine just as a preventative, wrong, I'll take my chances. I just bought the book, I'm curious to see what's in it, a lot of the info on the website has been known on these boards for a while, I'm not saying it's the vet's bible but I'm going to read it and see what it's all about. And after reading the Heartworm Society information, if they get the disease which comes from heartworms to start with, it is a very expensive and complicated process, so if you don't go to the vet and you treat your dog with a preventative and they die, they had the disease anyway and most likely couldn't be saved.
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well maybe your right one of my dogs might have had it and I didnt know it but if it had lyme disease didnt hurt dog or make sick so I dont see how it hurt not knowing, yes It says right on his web page about him getting disaplined from board Thanks for replying with your opinion
So what do you do for your 3 or 4 dogs a year that get lyme disease
So what do you do for your 3 or 4 dogs a year that get lyme disease
BOB POST
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
The Lymes test is not a diagnosis.
November 27, 2007 by oldcountryvet
An article by the American Veterinary Medical Association stated that: Detection of antilbodies against Lyme disease is not definitive evidence of active or incipient outbreak of infection or an indication of the need for treatment. Serologic status determined at a singular point in time is not predictive of future illness. Summation — The test is WORTHLESS except to generate income for the clinic. Up to 90% of normal dogs may test positive for Lyme disease yet, when followed for years, don’t come down with symptoms any more often than those testing negative. The only symptom in dogs is multiple leg soreness. The AVMA states that a dog must be in a Lyme area, show this sympton and respond rapidly to the correct treat in order to be diagnosed having the disease. It’s rare in dogs & easily treated. Veterinary colleges don’t even recommend vaccinating for it.
November 27, 2007 by oldcountryvet
An article by the American Veterinary Medical Association stated that: Detection of antilbodies against Lyme disease is not definitive evidence of active or incipient outbreak of infection or an indication of the need for treatment. Serologic status determined at a singular point in time is not predictive of future illness. Summation — The test is WORTHLESS except to generate income for the clinic. Up to 90% of normal dogs may test positive for Lyme disease yet, when followed for years, don’t come down with symptoms any more often than those testing negative. The only symptom in dogs is multiple leg soreness. The AVMA states that a dog must be in a Lyme area, show this sympton and respond rapidly to the correct treat in order to be diagnosed having the disease. It’s rare in dogs & easily treated. Veterinary colleges don’t even recommend vaccinating for it.
BOB POST
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
Incahoots
Is this what you are talking about him being disciplined for or was it something else
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If you look on the net you will also see he's been disciplined by the MN Vet Board. I'd call what he was disciplined for to be a vet I'd avoid. I guess he's what we would call a controdiction. He should practice what he's preaching.
November 14, 2007
Dr. Busby's Censureship by Vet Board
A nasty person, probably a vet from my area, made a comment about my
being censured by the state board on my YouTube page. The censuring was
about 5 years ago. My crime was successfully removing the infected uterus
from a client’s dog.
This client called and told of taking her dog to a rival clinic, where tests were
run. More tests were needed and she couldn't afford this. Her dog had a
condition I could diagnose over the phone. A 10-year-old, unspayed dog with a
month-long bloody vaginal discharge. This is a uterine infection, and spaying
is the solution.
I agreed to do surgery the next morning. The dog was a very obese (100 lb.
terrier that should have weighed only half that) and was extremely anemic from
the month of bleeding. I successfully got her through the anesthetic and
surgery. Because the blood was so compromised, I gave Vitamin K, which is
very effective in aiding clotting ability, and it probably saved the dog's life.
Eight hours later, the dog was stable and able to walk to the car when she
picked it up. She called shortly thereafter saying that the dog was bleeding.
This extremely obese animal had forced some blood that had pooled during
surgery through 3 layers of stitches. This was not fresh blood and was not a
sign of problems. My mistake was not returning the dog to the clinic and
keeping it over night. She then called my arch rival who I feel inflamed her
beyond reason.
They said:
The anesthetic was overdosed – I have never lost a spay from
anesthetic complications.
It was stitched wrong. Stitched the same way I've done 10,000 others.
It was hypothermic. 98 degrees is the temperature many dogs wake up
to every morning.
Dog was in shock. I have never in 40 years seen an elective surgery
case in shock.
They ran $1.00 worth of saline solution into the dog, went home and came
back 12 hours later to find the dog up and about and dispensed it. Charged
her 4 times as much for this “life saving effort” as I charged for the whole
surgery. She took me to court to retrieve this but the judge threw it out. He was
no dummy. This is on record at the Beltrami County courthouse.
Then they got her to complain to the state veterinary board. I was later told by
reliable sources that this vet had previously complained about my low prices,
my not insisting on expensive tests before surgery and my advertising prices.
I'm not a team player and the board didn’t like me. All kinds of charges were
leveled but were dropped at the hearing. Then I blew it! I didn’t join the state
association when they sent an application. And I wrote a letter to my lawyer
(whom I felt was absolutely worthless) giving my opinion on the board in
general and I’m absolutely certain she showed it to the board’s attorney, which
is a gross breach of client/attorney ethics. After that, I received this large
notice in the mail telling me that I had sinned and the punishment was
censuring. I have a spay survival record that is unbeatable. 10,000 surgeries
over 40 years without a fatality. This vindictive board ruled that I was not
qualified to operate on anything over 3 years of age. I was never to give
Vitamin K again without testing first to see if it was necessary. I was never to
use leftover anesthetic to euthanise small animals because it might be blood-
tinged. I was to use a commercial product that was un-sterile (bacterial
contamination is OK). You don’t want to know my opinion of the board. But if
this hadn’t all transpired, I would never have written the book. Board members
are practicing veterinarians, probably doing many of the despicable things I
expose in my book. They should be ashamed of themselves. I was even told by
reliable sources that the dog’s owner didn’t write the letter but merely signed
her name. You need tough skin to do what I do.
- Dr. James L Busby
Is this what you are talking about him being disciplined for or was it something else
Quote
If you look on the net you will also see he's been disciplined by the MN Vet Board. I'd call what he was disciplined for to be a vet I'd avoid. I guess he's what we would call a controdiction. He should practice what he's preaching.
November 14, 2007
Dr. Busby's Censureship by Vet Board
A nasty person, probably a vet from my area, made a comment about my
being censured by the state board on my YouTube page. The censuring was
about 5 years ago. My crime was successfully removing the infected uterus
from a client’s dog.
This client called and told of taking her dog to a rival clinic, where tests were
run. More tests were needed and she couldn't afford this. Her dog had a
condition I could diagnose over the phone. A 10-year-old, unspayed dog with a
month-long bloody vaginal discharge. This is a uterine infection, and spaying
is the solution.
I agreed to do surgery the next morning. The dog was a very obese (100 lb.
terrier that should have weighed only half that) and was extremely anemic from
the month of bleeding. I successfully got her through the anesthetic and
surgery. Because the blood was so compromised, I gave Vitamin K, which is
very effective in aiding clotting ability, and it probably saved the dog's life.
Eight hours later, the dog was stable and able to walk to the car when she
picked it up. She called shortly thereafter saying that the dog was bleeding.
This extremely obese animal had forced some blood that had pooled during
surgery through 3 layers of stitches. This was not fresh blood and was not a
sign of problems. My mistake was not returning the dog to the clinic and
keeping it over night. She then called my arch rival who I feel inflamed her
beyond reason.
They said:
The anesthetic was overdosed – I have never lost a spay from
anesthetic complications.
It was stitched wrong. Stitched the same way I've done 10,000 others.
It was hypothermic. 98 degrees is the temperature many dogs wake up
to every morning.
Dog was in shock. I have never in 40 years seen an elective surgery
case in shock.
They ran $1.00 worth of saline solution into the dog, went home and came
back 12 hours later to find the dog up and about and dispensed it. Charged
her 4 times as much for this “life saving effort” as I charged for the whole
surgery. She took me to court to retrieve this but the judge threw it out. He was
no dummy. This is on record at the Beltrami County courthouse.
Then they got her to complain to the state veterinary board. I was later told by
reliable sources that this vet had previously complained about my low prices,
my not insisting on expensive tests before surgery and my advertising prices.
I'm not a team player and the board didn’t like me. All kinds of charges were
leveled but were dropped at the hearing. Then I blew it! I didn’t join the state
association when they sent an application. And I wrote a letter to my lawyer
(whom I felt was absolutely worthless) giving my opinion on the board in
general and I’m absolutely certain she showed it to the board’s attorney, which
is a gross breach of client/attorney ethics. After that, I received this large
notice in the mail telling me that I had sinned and the punishment was
censuring. I have a spay survival record that is unbeatable. 10,000 surgeries
over 40 years without a fatality. This vindictive board ruled that I was not
qualified to operate on anything over 3 years of age. I was never to give
Vitamin K again without testing first to see if it was necessary. I was never to
use leftover anesthetic to euthanise small animals because it might be blood-
tinged. I was to use a commercial product that was un-sterile (bacterial
contamination is OK). You don’t want to know my opinion of the board. But if
this hadn’t all transpired, I would never have written the book. Board members
are practicing veterinarians, probably doing many of the despicable things I
expose in my book. They should be ashamed of themselves. I was even told by
reliable sources that the dog’s owner didn’t write the letter but merely signed
her name. You need tough skin to do what I do.
- Dr. James L Busby
BOB POST
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
I have 6 dogs here that have it and some others that dont. What incahoots says is right on in my opinion with Lymes. It is NASTY, once they have it they will have it the rest of their lives. Just hope that they dont have any flair ups.
Some can have it and never show any signs, I got one here that has never shown any signs of it but tests a strong positive. Just going and getting one test you could get funny numbers but my dogs are tested quite often. My dogs have at least one lymes test a year. This helps baseline the numbers on a given dog. It also helps once you get them off medication from a flair up to go get them tested again. It really helps establish that baseline.
I can tell you if you ever have a flair up it is not pretty, some will just hobble around like a sore joint or pulled muscle others I have seen wont be able to walk, basically drag their rears around. Others will appear on their death beds. Once you have a flair up you will be able to detect the next one if it affects the dog the same.
Dox for a month helps them but wont get rid of it.
I have a good friend that has Lymes also and he will tell you. He has "flair ups" and he is miserable. The ones he has had were not the same from one to the other.
Bill
Some can have it and never show any signs, I got one here that has never shown any signs of it but tests a strong positive. Just going and getting one test you could get funny numbers but my dogs are tested quite often. My dogs have at least one lymes test a year. This helps baseline the numbers on a given dog. It also helps once you get them off medication from a flair up to go get them tested again. It really helps establish that baseline.
I can tell you if you ever have a flair up it is not pretty, some will just hobble around like a sore joint or pulled muscle others I have seen wont be able to walk, basically drag their rears around. Others will appear on their death beds. Once you have a flair up you will be able to detect the next one if it affects the dog the same.
Dox for a month helps them but wont get rid of it.
I have a good friend that has Lymes also and he will tell you. He has "flair ups" and he is miserable. The ones he has had were not the same from one to the other.
Bill
MOUNTAIN VIEW BEAGLES
"WHERE HUNT AND SHOW ARE ONE"
Martinsburg, WV
"WHERE HUNT AND SHOW ARE ONE"
Martinsburg, WV
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I'm just against outrageous vet bills, lol, I'm not saying this old country vet guy is the wonder doctor or anything but guys have had dogs for years with no vaccinations or anything and they live forever, I would almost bet an old timer that we hunt with has never vaccinated a dog and they live forever. I'm not against preventive medicine or anything but sometimes the source is the info comes from is the person whose salary you are paying, kind of like the investor commercial on tv, who is the investor really looking out for. It's nice to have some publication that will shed light on some things, he may be right or wrong but it's like getting a second opinion, I'm still going to give shots, heartwork med, etc but I'm not going to discredit this guy just yet, he only got $16 and I didn't buy it from him. Besides, there is no way this guy could continue practicing if he was really screwing up, it kind of makes sense for people to discredit him because he was affecting their wallets which is the way corporate America usually is. For most people, I would be more scared of dog food killing our dogs than I would a vet or anyone else, I just hope this book saves me money.
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Bill
I have never had a dog tested for lyme but Ive never had a dog show any signs you guys are describing,is it common up where you live I see Incahoots lives close to you in chambersburg I know of a guy I work with was diagnosed with lyme disease but I dont know anyone I hunt with that has dogs with it as far as I know ???
I have never had a dog tested for lyme but Ive never had a dog show any signs you guys are describing,is it common up where you live I see Incahoots lives close to you in chambersburg I know of a guy I work with was diagnosed with lyme disease but I dont know anyone I hunt with that has dogs with it as far as I know ???
BOB POST
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
MTNEER KENNELS
NORTH CENTRAL WV
BY HIS BLOOD I AM FORGIVEN
Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
Bob,
Very common up here for some reason. It is all around the country but pockets of it are thicker than others. I hope none of your hounds get it, definetly not something you need to worry about.
Josh,
I hate vet bills more than anybody. My wife will tell you if we didnt have the dogs we might be rich. But it is the choice that WE make. I had a fortune in a female in the past few months and lost her, Vet Bills were way more than anyone could imagine, but WE made the choice to spend it not put a bullet in her head like others would of probably done. She was a female that had proven to me that bred correctly could of helped the breed. We are in it for the long haul to better the breed in our opinion, not out here breeding this dog to this dog and that dog to that dog like some are. We have our goals set higher than others but, still not like some do.
If you get one thing out of this guys book and helps you take care of your hound then it might pay for itself and eventually save you money. Good for you. What if it puts it six foot under? hmmmmm Some of us would be out a good deal of change where others be just out 50 to 100 bucks. I will go to someone I can trust and they know me and RESPECT me for what I am trying to accomplish. Not like some of these vets. Standard vaccinations and stuff like that I have no problem giving but for some of this stuff I am no vet and therefore the hounds go. If I have to make a trip to a specialty hospital I will.
BILL
Very common up here for some reason. It is all around the country but pockets of it are thicker than others. I hope none of your hounds get it, definetly not something you need to worry about.
Josh,
I hate vet bills more than anybody. My wife will tell you if we didnt have the dogs we might be rich. But it is the choice that WE make. I had a fortune in a female in the past few months and lost her, Vet Bills were way more than anyone could imagine, but WE made the choice to spend it not put a bullet in her head like others would of probably done. She was a female that had proven to me that bred correctly could of helped the breed. We are in it for the long haul to better the breed in our opinion, not out here breeding this dog to this dog and that dog to that dog like some are. We have our goals set higher than others but, still not like some do.
If you get one thing out of this guys book and helps you take care of your hound then it might pay for itself and eventually save you money. Good for you. What if it puts it six foot under? hmmmmm Some of us would be out a good deal of change where others be just out 50 to 100 bucks. I will go to someone I can trust and they know me and RESPECT me for what I am trying to accomplish. Not like some of these vets. Standard vaccinations and stuff like that I have no problem giving but for some of this stuff I am no vet and therefore the hounds go. If I have to make a trip to a specialty hospital I will.
BILL
MOUNTAIN VIEW BEAGLES
"WHERE HUNT AND SHOW ARE ONE"
Martinsburg, WV
"WHERE HUNT AND SHOW ARE ONE"
Martinsburg, WV
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I'm not saying that I don't care about health or wouldn't take a dog to the vet, I would think there will br tips and all in the book just like on these boards, my thing is if strays can live forever which they seem to do until the tire tread gets them that a lot of things are either over or under diagnosed, kind of like people and allergies, no one seemed to have allergies and things until one day someone in California said such and such causes such and such so everyone should take this or that blah blah blah so my point is I wasted $16 bucks for a book and it's the first book I've ever bought so now I might have to teach myself to actually read because I only like looking at pictures on the internet, lol.
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Re: FROM A VETS POINT OF VEIW
I don't think Bill was saying that you wasted your money!!!!!!!! He is saying that if you have a dog that needs Vet attention then don't try and do it YOURSELF. Get the dog the attention it needs!!!! We all know that if you are in beagles to make money you are in it for the wrong reason so we have to save where we can but you have to know where the limit is of doing it yourself and getting to the Vet!!!!! I could never let a dog go with out medical attention that is needed just like Bill said but then again we don't have the 50-100 dogs, we are going to spend the extra dollar to make sure they get what they need.
I have seen people who try to play vet and the dogs are in terrible shape they are not a sportsman, houndsman, or ethical dog owner and these are the kind of people that gives everyone else a bad rep.
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You know I don't know anything, I was trying to be funny, figured it wouldn't be taken like that, lol.