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Could it be that the dogs in the video were just working through the different layers of scent. You know, the rabbit scent, the grass, the sod, the earth worms down a couple feet. The guy in the video does a nice job explaining the order in which the hounds were placed on the ground. The camera man did an excellent job keeping up with them. Imagine earning your AKC Field Champion Title in that. By looking at the size of them, you could trial your pregnant females right up to the day of delivery. Do they have a 13" and 15" class? What would they do if they had a sight chase?
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mybeagles wrote:Bev,
I know about several of the regulars on this board. Some are just all blow, dont run much, dont have much in the kennel, just love to crap talk.
Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. wrote:Norwester, I find it hard to believe that i run cottaintail hounds, I am running hare hounds just as yourself.They have encountered everything from 0 to 115 degrees and actually adapted pretty well. Never ran deep snow as we dont get it down south.You seem to discredit everything south of the border, kinda makes me seem like you dont believe or like hillbillys.So i too will extend a invite but wait till its hot enuff to cut the air and about 98 degrees, not snow but pretty brutal conditions for even the best of noses. Jmho, Good noses show up north as well as south, reggie proved that.
You're finding what exactly, hard to believe? I'm not sure what you are referring to. I'm not trying to discredit the south at all, and this debate/discussion has nothing do to with liking or disliking anyone, I don't know you or most of the folks posting here so I'm in no position to cast doubt on anyone's character. I do however seriously question the judgment of anyone who would claim they can do better in an environment with extreme conditions when they've never hunted or run in them. You made this boastful, statement
I will answer for him, take my dogs to your place for 2 weeks and send me yours for 2 weeks at the end of term my hounds can do better in snow than yours on a our rabbits. . I done been north and ran hare just not in deep snow.JMHO
If you can write a statement like that you should be prepared to back it up. Put up or shut up is what I'm saying.
I would never expect my dogs to be able to accel in a hot humid environment, they're not bred for it and they've not been exposed to it and perhaps more importantly, I never said they could do it, unlike you.
Incidently, if your dogs COULD indeed run in the sort of extreme cold and snow we're talking about here, I'll give you all the credit in the world and I really ( and I mean it sincerely) would look to aquire dogs like yours.
Guys give Bev a little slack ,I feel we are all trying to produce the best hound we possibly can that fits our style but i say cull the cold trailers and mouthy ones regardless
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I TRAIN ROTT'S FOR GUARD AND TRACK AND HAVE WORKED WITH SEVERAL SEARCH AND RESCUE AND RECOVERY HOUNDS ,MOSTLY ''BLOOD HOUNDS AND SHEPERD'S',I AGREE WITH YOU ON A LOT OF THE SCENTING POINTS.FOR SURE,,,,,
I HOPE I CAN MAKE THIS POINT SO SOME OF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND I HAVE TROUBLE GETTING MY POINT ACROSS SOME TIMES,,,,,,,,,,,,,
--I HAVE WATCHED HOUNDS CUT A TRACK WHERE I PUT THEM ON IT' FROM THE SIDE.AND THEY WOULD GO THE WRONG WAY'' A LITTLE WAY'S BEFORE TURNING AROUND,I THINK SEVERAL THINGS CREATE'' THIS'' SCENERIO,ONE IS HOW COMPETETIVE IS THE HOUND,, ,HAS IT BEEN RUN IN A PACK A LOT,,,, HAS THE HOUND BEEN SOLOED ENOUGH,,,WHAT TONE OF VOICE YOU USE WHEN YOU CALL THE HOUND,, AND PUT IT ON THE TRACK,MOST HUNTERS KNOW ALL THESE THINGS,,, PLAY A PART IN WHAT HAPPENS ,NOW SINCE I DON'T HAVE A DEGREE IN SCIENCE, HECK I WISH I DID---BUT I DO HAVE A DEGREE IN BS --,I WILL TRY A DIFFERENT APPROACH,, TO THE SCENT LAYER OR DIRECTION THING,,,,I KNOW MOST OF YOU HAVE SAW THIS HAPPEN,,,,,,,, HOUNDS ARE RUNNING A RABBIT IN A WOODED AREA' YOU SEE A THE RABBIT'' COME STRAIGHT OUT TO YOU ABOUT 100 YDS IN A SANDY FIELD .TURN AROUND AND RUN BACK RIGHT ON THE TRACK'' IT JUST LAID DOWN ALL THE WAY TO THE WOODS,, JUMP OFF TO THE SIDE AND LEAVE .(IT'S CALLED A DOUBLE )NOW ALL THE HOUNDS, COME FLYING OUT ON THE TRACK AND OFF THE END,ONE HOUND GOES TO THE END OF THE TRACK BUT NOT PAST AND TURNS' AROUND,AND GOES BACK RIGHT ON THE TRACK,NOW YOU HAVE TWO LAYERS OF RABBIT TRACKS AND FIVE LAYERS OF DOG TRACKS.--NOW IF A HOUND CANNOT SEPERATE SCENT LAYERS HOW DID IT DO THIS WITH OUT A CHECK ,YES I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN..
Only by experience, and by learning from other dogs,
THIS IS A GOOD STATEMENT ALSO,WHY I THINK SO IS BECAUSE IT IS OVER LOOKED SO MUCH.--IF I BREED A LITTER OF PUPS FROM MY LINE BRED HOUNDS ,AND RUN THEM AND START THEM WITH OTHER HOUNDS ,THEY WILL LEARN WHAT THEY KNOW FROM THESE HOUNDS,--BUT IF I START THESE PUPS SOLO AND RUN THEM SOLO UNTIL THEY CAN RUN ON THEIR OWN,,THEY WILL RUN ON INSTINCT OR WHAT THEY GOT FROM THE BREEDING.........
KEEP'EM RUNNING
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If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
Mapel Valley Kennels LLC. wrote:Norwester, I find it hard to believe that i run cottaintail hounds, I am running hare hounds just as yourself.They have encountered everything from 0 to 115 degrees and actually adapted pretty well. Never ran deep snow as we dont get it down south.You seem to discredit everything south of the border, kinda makes me seem like you dont believe or like hillbillys.So i too will extend a invite but wait till its hot enuff to cut the air and about 98 degrees, not snow but pretty brutal conditions for even the best of noses. Jmho, Good noses show up north as well as south, reggie proved that.
You're finding what exactly, hard to believe? I'm not sure what you are referring to. I'm not trying to discredit the south at all, and this debate/discussion has nothing do to with liking or disliking anyone, I don't know you or most of the folks posting here so I'm in no position to cast doubt on anyone's character. I do however seriously question the judgment of anyone who would claim they can do better in an environment with extreme conditions when they've never hunted or run in them. You made this boastful, statement
I will answer for him, take my dogs to your place for 2 weeks and send me yours for 2 weeks at the end of term my hounds can do better in snow than yours on a our rabbits. . I done been north and ran hare just not in deep snow.JMHO
If you can write a statement like that you should be prepared to back it up. Put up or shut up is what I'm saying.
I would never expect my dogs to be able to accel in a hot humid environment, they're not bred for it and they've not been exposed to it and perhaps more importantly, I never said they could do it, unlike you.
Incidently, if your dogs COULD indeed run in the sort of extreme cold and snow we're talking about here, I'll give you all the credit in the world and I really ( and I mean it sincerely) would look to aquire dogs like yours.
My dogs aint perfect but I do stand by my boastful statement as snow dogs down south would probaly equal too much mouth in my opinion especially as they try to run while stepping on there tongues while its 100 degrees.Another thing is if you will foot my bill too ship em, just let me know hell maybe you could go ahead and make me a couple of IFC, WHILE THEY ARE THERE. ......
When the moment of truth arrives, the point of preparation has passed.
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I love a dog that can get a double without any break down.
I've seen it and it is impressive. CT where I live do this all the time and the hounds have gotten good at figuring it out.
There's no trials around here The nearest Canadian trials are about a 16 hour drive southeast from me, never been to one in my life.
There's no shipping by air cargo into where I am until spring either I might add, not to mention I don't care to be responsible for your hounds. If you are standing by your statement and you're going to talk the talk then walk the walk. If you're that confident then drive on up and show me.
Could it be that the dogs in the video were just working through the different layers of scent. You know, the rabbit scent, the grass, the sod, the earth worms down a couple feet. The guy in the video does a nice job explaining the order in which the hounds were placed on the ground. The camera man did an excellent job keeping up with them. Imagine earning your AKC Field Champion Title in that. By looking at the size of them, you could trial your pregnant females right up to the day of delivery. Do they have a 13" and 15" class? What would they do if they had a sight chase?
That oldest one is a field champion. And nope, what you saw was at full speed and these guys are really serious concerning their hounds. Don’t make the mistake of referring to them as “Walkie Talkies”. It’s “Brace Hounds”. I’m not saying their any worse or better then my dogs, just not my style. Imagine gun hunting with six of these for 7 hours one day, I did. As I said before, it was a long day. But I respected the gentleman and after two hours of chaos I put my dogs in the truck and hunted with him the rest of the day and listened to him brag on his two favorites “Flash” and “Scooter”. I am not sure where he got those names, I ask him if those names came from antonyms and he told me no, they were not line bred. “I don’t think he caught what I was asking”. I can say it was intresting experience, and we had fun & good fellowship. Funny thing you should ask about sight chaseing, on two occasions I seen two different dogs of his, get eye contact with the rabbit and neither sight chased. They would look up at the rabbit {just a glance} but were compelled to keep their nose on the ground and go by scent only, even with the opportunity to sight chase. They refused to leave the "rabbit track" even if it was for the actual "rabbit".
"Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." - Mark Twain
NorWester1 wrote:There's no trials around here The nearest Canadian trials are about a 16 hour drive southeast from me, never been to one in my life.
There's no shipping by air cargo into where I am until spring either I might add, not to mention I don't care to be responsible for your hounds. If you are standing by your statement and you're going to talk the talk then walk the walk. If you're that confident then drive on up and show me.
Once again then i am done with this.My dogs can do better on hare than yours on hot dry cottaintails. I will not drive 100 hours to make you or anyone else a believer. Us boys down here aint as stupid as you have been lead to believe.We actually all run northern blood forced to run cottaintails.Hare is a treak or treat to us.As they stink and dont turn as often.So with that being said I am done with you and this post.Good luck bestowing ur bias beliefs to others I aint buying it.
When the moment of truth arrives, the point of preparation has passed.
Old School, Full Throttle ,No Bottle.
Maplevalley, This post is getting pretty long I can't remember if it was on this one but I remember Pine mt. saying that he linebreeds northern hare dogs?They must be working out for him. Funny story few years back went on week fishung trip to cabin in Rainy lake area. This was in Aug. was so hot up there didn't get any sleep first 2 days, went to International falls to get fan for cabin wasn't 1 left in the whole town! Fishing was terrible weather never broke all week spent a lot of time at airconditioned resort bar next door. I live in northern Wi. run mine 2times week year round. have 1 here locks on them real nice on the sod he ain't much right now.(just saying) don't really want to get to much into the nose battle thats going on
JIM
IT'S A SAD TIME WHEN HEAT INTERFERS WITH A GOOD WELL PLANED FISHING TRIP, I JUST HATE THAT!!!!! SOUNDS LIKE YOU ADJUSTED WELL THOUGH.
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If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
Don't hold your breath... I offered to pay $100 plus lunch and gas money to anybody who would bring a pack of 5 and run down at ct on a hot summer day that I pick. Of course they do it all the time in la la land, also known at TAB.
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HERE WE GO AGAIN ANOTHER GOOD THREAD .HAD TO END IN A COMPETION(THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FIELD TRIALS FOR),I'M NOT TAKING ANY SIDES HERE .BUT CAN'T WE JUST LEARN FROM EACH OTHER'S POINTS OF VIEW .I'VE PICKED UP ON SEVERAL GOOD IDEA'S FROM THIS THREAD,FROM EVERY ONE,,,THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON A HOUND HAS TO PLEASE --------THE ONE WHO FEEDS IT--------THAT'S IT .HALF THE TIME I DON'T EVEN LIKE MY OWN HOUNDS,I LEARNED YEARS AGO IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE THE BEST,,,,,,,, YOU ONLY RUN WITH YOUR SELF,,,,,,,,,NORTH-- SOUTH WHO CARES,,IF YOUR HOUNDS SUIT YOU RELAX AND ENJOY THEM UNTIL SOMETHING BETTER COMES ALONG,---------ANYWAY THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY FAVORITE THREADS AND ONE OF THE LONGEST RUNNING ONES,,,EVEN IF IT DID BACK TRACK A LITTLE GOOD LUCK AND
KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES
If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, he too will cry out and not be answered
Imagine earning your AKC Field Champion Title in that. By looking at the size of them, you could trial your pregnant females right up to the day of delivery. Do they have a 13" and 15" class? What would they do if they had a sight chase?
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