Dogs that can lock on a cottontail

[sgc]

DavisFarms, can you post a pedigree on this dog.

[Triple_S]

[Triple_S]

http://www.lanelinebeagles.zoomshare.com/2.html

Sgc scroll down first dog you come to.

[les guynn]

I have a 3 year old male, GUYNN'S HORSEROCK BUCK. out of townline MEDICINE MAN SLY AND BOLDSTROKES APPLEWOOD GINGER. that has good speed and a nose to carrie the line, with a real bawl mouth TO GO WITH IT. GOD BLESS. LES GUYNN

[KesslerBeagles]

I went east for the holidays and got a chance to stop in and meet and visit with Laneline beagles a few days. I got the opportunity to see two hounds that I have heard a lot about from different friends and on different websites. I got to see that Ozzie dog run for a short while, he is the real deal. He is older, but if you know hounds you can pretty much tell what a good hound was in his prime seeing them almost at any age. But the dog that I am talking about is Laneline Yellow Creek Dingus. When I say this, I don’t want any of you fellows thinking I am blowing smoke. I have been gunning beagles for over 55 years. I am 68 and shot my first rabbit with my dad when I was 10. When I was a teenager my uncles had me handling their hounds in trials. Between all the grade gundogs and all the field trial dogs that I have seen over the years, {which have been some great ones} Laneline’s Dingus male is one of the best, if not the best I have seen to this date. I am talking about the total package nose, hunt, line, speed, brains, drive and obedience all in one dog, he is it! By himself or watching him dominate a pack. The dog has gears and brains and adjusts to the dogs he is running with. I watched this dog, he was like a boxer feeling out his opponite the first two rounds, in the first 15 minutes of running and then he geared up or down, made adjustments and put on a show. My uncles described watching Gray’s Linesman in the same way that I viewed this male. Jim told me he is just now starting to come on strong after being gunned over this year. Another thing I didn’t know is that he is just 2 ½ years old. For as much that is said about him and his pups {for a dog that is not trialed} that says a lot. We told Jim he has to get that dog in the trials, and his pups to some trialers, but he said work just will not permit him to at this time, and as far as his pups, through the hunting clubs that he belongs to and their friends and contacts, it’s pretty much who ever calls him first. He said that he thought about letting somebody else trial him, but he really don’t know yet. This would be “one of those dogs” that you would “hate” to be put in a cast with. Even if your dog is faster or had a better nose or claimed quicker, a dog like this has the brains to make the adjustments to find a way to beat you, and he just “glides” when he does it and makes it look effortless. He is that dominating and that good. I have only seen a handful of dog like this in my life, and he is one of them. I would say that there are a few just like him in the backyards of some gun hunters that know body knows about because they can’t or don't trial.

I agree. I have ran with this dog. He got more impressive every time I seen him. The dog is too good to be true, but as I was looking for faults, he just seemed better everytime I was out with him. In my opinion, his best attribute? Brains! even when all the dogs are having a "bad" day due to conditions or what ever, he just finds a way to not only find and get the rabbit up but to keep it going, when the rest seem willing to give up and find another. Also he is very fast to have that kind of line and snaps back to the point of lost and steals the check and is gone before the other dogs know what happened. If I didn't work "swing" I would love to trial him for Jim. There is no doubt how he would do.

[Dr. Chris]

I went east for the holidays and got a chance to stop in and meet and visit with Laneline beagles a few days. I got the opportunity to see two hounds that I have heard a lot about from different friends and on different websites. I got to see that Ozzie dog run for a short while, he is the real deal. He is older, but if you know hounds you can pretty much tell what a good hound was in his prime seeing them almost at any age. But the dog that I am talking about is Laneline Yellow Creek Dingus. When I say this, I don’t want any of you fellows thinking I am blowing smoke. I have been gunning beagles for over 55 years. I am 68 and shot my first rabbit with my dad when I was 10. When I was a teenager my uncles had me handling their hounds in trials. Between all the grade gundogs and all the field trial dogs that I have seen over the years, {which have been some great ones} Laneline’s Dingus male is one of the best, if not the best I have seen to this date. I am talking about the total package nose, hunt, line, speed, brains, drive and obedience all in one dog, he is it! By himself or watching him dominate a pack. The dog has gears and brains and adjusts to the dogs he is running with. I watched this dog, he was like a boxer feeling out his opponite the first two rounds, in the first 15 minutes of running and then he geared up or down, made adjustments and put on a show. My uncles described watching Gray’s Linesman in the same way that I viewed this male. Jim told me he is just now starting to come on strong after being gunned over this year. Another thing I didn’t know is that he is just 2 ½ years old. For as much that is said about him and his pups {for a dog that is not trialed} that says a lot. We told Jim he has to get that dog in the trials, and his pups to some trialers, but he said work just will not permit him to at this time, and as far as his pups, through the hunting clubs that he belongs to and their friends and contacts, it’s pretty much who ever calls him first. He said that he thought about letting somebody else trial him, but he really don’t know yet. This would be “one of those dogs” that you would “hate” to be put in a cast with. Even if your dog is faster or had a better nose or claimed quicker, a dog like this has the brains to make the adjustments to find a way to beat you, and he just “glides” when he does it and makes it look effortless. He is that dominating and that good. I have only seen a handful of dog like this in my life, and he is one of them. I would say that there are a few just like him in the backyards of some gun hunters that know body knows about because they can’t or don't trial.

I agree. I have ran with this dog. He got more impressive every time I seen him. The dog is too good to be true, but as I was looking for faults, he just seemed better everytime I was out with him. In my opinion, his best attribute? Brains! even when all the dogs are having a "bad" day due to conditions or what ever, he just finds a way to not only find and get the rabbit up but to keep it going, when the rest seem willing to give up and find another. Also he is very fast to have that kind of line and snaps back to the point of lost and steals the check and is gone before the other dogs know what happened. If I didn't work "swing" I would love to trial him for Jim. There is no doubt how he would do.

I also agree. I watched him on a couple occasions. He is everything that the above post says he is. But KesslerBeagles I disagree with you, it’s not “stealing” a check when most of the time he is the first dog back to the point of loss to find it and go. But I know what you’re saying, he is a great gundog, but he would make a “field trial deluxe” dog. He will look for the rabbit and watch the other dogs too, and if any other dogs show any indication of them finding the rabbit, he hops in front of them, claims it and is gone. But Jim considers this a fault in him. He said it would be great for trialing but not for gun hunting. If that’s what you call “stealing” than yes he does do that. That’s what I call “awareness” and brains. A dog with brains can adjust to running in many different conditions and compensate for any areas they may lack and just simply “find a way when there seems is no way”. I think many breeders do not give this trait “brains” enough thought or priority in their breeding programs.

[sgc]

What trial format would you guys run him in?

[Larry G]

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He will look for the rabbit and watch the other dogs too, and if any other dogs show any indication of them finding the rabbit, he hops in front of them, claims it and is gone. But Jim considers this a fault in him. He said it would be great for trialing but not for gun hunting.

So why would it be great for trials, but not for gun hunting? Aren't trials supposed to be a proving ground for the best gundog?

[ironjawdawgs]

I've never seen Junie hunt but I can tell you he is throwing some unbeleivable dogs. Jimmie's got a gyp that I had the pleasure of gun hunting last year. Moochie can flat lock on a rabbit. I seen her run one thru heavy cover, across a parking lot, across an cut corn field, (maybe 200 yards going across the rows) under a barn and out the other side, under a mobile home and was tearing the skirting off where the rabbit came out cause the hole wasn't big enough for her, and back to the thick cover where the rabbit holed up. I had to literally pull her off the hole as she was trying to dig that rabbit out of the frozen ground. This particular run lasted maybe 25 minutes and had to cover 3/4 mile. I don't recall any checks. I never tried to set up for the shot, I just watched. Jimmie, I am sure missin Moochie this year.

I'll get to find out all about this Moochie dog in about a week or so. Any time you want to do some gun hunting over her you let me know and you can come up do some.
Elliott

Ironjaw, you won't be disappointed. Moochie is a fine dog. I believe she is gonna make a hell of a bitch to. Lots of power behind her. I had her littermate brother (max) as a pup but never got the opprotunity to start him good, but he was showing signs of being a monster. I had a 3 yr. old bramlett gyp that I was using to start him and he would get 100' in front of her blowin out of a check and then turn around and look back like " are ya comin or what". Then I traded him to Jimmie for Moochie and felt really guilty for a couple of months cause I felt like I had got the better end of the deal. But then I started hearin reports back from Ky. Max had done come out of his shell and was makin Jimmie proud. Your gonna love that mouth on Moochie, oh ya almost forgot, when ya take her out ya better not have anyplace you need to be for about 8 hours. If ya try to leave sooner than that she'll be pissed off for days.

I gotta tell ya story about this gyp just to show how tuff she is. It's June, it's hot, and the only runnin she's gettin is when she slips out of the fence and goes on her own. (This was about a twice a week occurance) This by the way is how Jimmie got her back, cause my job kept me traveling and she is just to nice a dog to get put up like that. Anyway. My kids decide its time to put up the pool. One of those blue monsters 4' deep and 28' round. We had horses racing that day so we were gone all day. Some time around 10 a.m Moochie decides its time for a swim. She climbs or jumps into the pool but can't get back out. The neighbor saw her in there and thought I was swimmin dogs again. Around 2 p.m. the neighbor looks again and sees her dissapearing and then comin back up so she jumps the fence runs to the pool to find Moochie on the bottom. She jumps in, pulls her out and by this time Moochie is alive but clearly hypothermic. Dying. So she lays her up by the house in the afternoon sun. I got home about 6 and the neighbor come runnin over to tell me what happened. Long story Longer, Moochie slept in bed that night I went to sleep knowing that she would be dead by morning. She woke me up a daybreak wanted to go huntin. I delivered her to Ky. 2 weeks later and I'll bet she ain't missed to many days since.

You got me all pumped up to get this female!!!! I'm looking forward to having a little more get up and go and grit. She sounds like she'll be MY type of dog!!!! She'll be getting the hair run off her up here when I get her. I'll do my best to run her hard enough to.... Well She'll get run, I'll just put it that way. I'm looking for a dog that wants to run all day long day in and day out.
Elliott
P.S. Thanks for sharing your story with me. Makes me happy to know that she's probably going to be my type of hound. I love a hard working dog and i'll let them work as hard as they want to for me and then some. I love to see the honor they have in working hard for ya.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Its hard as hell too let moochie leave , i have thought about it several times.I can not keep all of em and moochie made the cut.She is a first class bitch and will back down from nothing .
She has been a enjoyment for me to own run and hunt.Dont worry greg she will be taken care of and checked on often. One thing she does not lack is heart, I ran her recently till they all wanted to drop, junie jumped just one more for the road and little moochie was on the lead she looked up at me and whined, her ass was dragging but she ran another hour and loved it.
She is a keeper elliott and a gundog deluxe.

[ironjawdawgs]

Its hard as hell too let moochie leave , i have thought about it several times.I can not keep all of em and moochie made the cut.She is a first class bitch and will back down from nothing .
She has been a enjoyment for me to own run and hunt.Dont worry greg she will be taken care of and checked on often. One thing she does not lack is heart, I ran her recently till they all wanted to drop, junie jumped just one more for the road and little moochie was on the lead she looked up at me and whined, her ass was dragging but she ran another hour and loved it.
She is a keeper elliott and a gundog deluxe.

Thanks Jimmy for giving me the chance at having such a fine hound. I'll be sure to call you and let you hear her run each time I have her out. You just have to let me know when your getting sick of me calling you when I'm running her. LOL! I'll be sure to PM you pictures of her battle scares from running. (Tail, ears, mouth, nose, and what ever else she wears off of her self) These pictures will be the evidence of her being run. AWWWW, looking forward to lots of good long running with her and the Northway boys.
Elliott
P.S. Did you get my voice mail from the other night about me coming down the first of next week?

[WELLS WOODS]

On the subject of locking on a cottontail, Junie did a darn good job a couple weeks ago, under some tough pressure I might add. Nice dog! The best I've seen though and I 've said this before, were Blue Banks Moon Pie and Elk Creeks Amazing Grace. One day we were running several young dogs and took out several different packs and it was a mess; tough scenting and we heard no running from anybody in the area and there were four or five trucks in that running area; Brent Gay was frustrated so he said, " We will have a rabbit race before we leave here." I said," I'll believe it when I see it." He dropped Pie and Grace out of the truck and we went to the same spot. They both hit the brush, those big tails abusing the cover; all of a sudden Grace opened. Brent said," here we go! " Those dogs ran that rabbit full speed ,and thier 10 in speed was about a 14, non stop ,check free; making 90 degree turns with out a bobble while still trying to compete with each other and under complete control of the line. I was astonished. After about an hour, they were making it look so easy it actually became boring as strange as that sounds. I saw other guys on the hillside with thier dogs on a leash just watching the action. They ran like this everytime Isaw them run. Brent doesn't like to trial , but he put them in Jessamine Co. one year and they placed 1st & 2nd in a class of 60. He never entered them again. I bought Prime Time (out of Pie) when he was 6 years old. Brent had only used him for hunting, but I knew what he was; I had already bred to him 4 times. I finished him in less than one year. He ran a lot like Pie and Grace; same chop mouth and fast as heck with control and more desire than any hound I've seen; wouldn't quit if he was dieing. Pie & Grace were out of Camp Creek Gertrude by IFC Taylor's Sock It To Me.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

On the subject of locking on a cottontail, Junie did a darn good job a couple weeks ago, under some tough pressure I might add. Nice dog! The best I've seen though and I 've said this before, were Blue Banks Moon Pie and Elk Creeks Amazing Grace. One day we were running several young dogs and took out several different packs and it was a mess; tough scenting and we heard no running from anybody in the area and there were four or five trucks in that running area; Brent Gay was frustrated so he said, " We will have a rabbit race before we leave here. I said," I'll believe it when I see it." He dropped Pie and Grace out of the truck and we went to the same spot. They both hit the brush, those big tails abusing the cover; all of a sudden Grace opened. Brent said," here we go! " Those dogs ran that rabbit full speed ,and thier 10 in speed was about a 14, non stop ,check free; making 90 degree turns with out a bobble while still trying to compete with each other and under complete control of the line. I was astonished. After about an hour, they were making it look so easy it actually became boring as strange as that sounds. I saw other guys on the hillside with thier dogs on a leash just watching the action. They ran like this everytime Isaw them run. Brent doesn't like to trial , but he put them in Jessamine Co. one year and they placed 1st & 2nd in a class of 60. He never entered them again. I bought Prime Time (out of Pie) when he was 6 years old. Brent had only used him for hunting, but I knew what he was; I had already bred to him 4 times. I finished him in less than one year. He ran a lot like Pie and Grace; same chop mouth and fast as heck with control and more desire than any hound I've seen; wouldn't quit if he was dieing. Pie & Grace were out of Camp Creek Gertrude by IFC Taylor's Sock It To Me.

Greg ,
Thanks for the kudos, he gets stronger the longer we run him.If you buzz thru his pedigree you will find some dogs that you are speaking of pretty close up.I have seen him destroy a pack and also get beat, but the old dog is always there and trying . He has been very enjoyable to own for me.He is pretty much done trialing , i may break him out at the world but he has proved his point to most all that ever questioned his ability.Solid every day and the same every day. I would like too hook up and come down greg and maybe run or hunt.Just give me the nod and its on.I believe in my soul good dogs can trial and hunt and if not they will die in the valley. ps, watch old brent gay he is a nervy little fella.

[WELLS WOODS]

Come down any time Jimmie; I have two young big females that I can run and have a 30 acre enclosure; we can build a fire and drink a cold beverage.

[Dr. Chris]

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He will look for the rabbit and watch the other dogs too, and if any other dogs show any indication of them finding the rabbit, he hops in front of them, claims it and is gone. But Jim considers this a fault in him. He said it would be great for trialing but not for gun hunting.

So why would it be great for trials, but not for gun hunting? Aren't trials supposed to be a proving ground for the best gundog?

Well that’s how it started out and that’s what many say it is but in reality, that’s not really the case. Most trial dogs are never soloed, they are usually trained and conditioned in the same setting as a field trial. Many dogs like this if you take them out alone or with one other dog to gun hunt you will notice them hunting and then periodically stop, look around and listen for the other dogs. When trialing you want them to “feed” off other dogs and learn to sometimes cut, slash and steal the other dogs check and be little loose on the mouth {to bark when he sees the other dog getting the rabbit and open up on it before the dog that has it has a chance to}. I know many won't admit to this, but this is the way it really is. If your gun hunting this sometimes gets frustrating because some dogs will be just as focused on what the other dogs are doing as much as they are focused on finding a rabbit. And with the loose mouth, you sometimes have to “second guess” and wait to see if it is really a hot rabbit. I think the “loose mouth” {not too much, just enough to get a judges attention and give them an edge} and the “feeding off other dogs” {again, not too much, just enough to have an edge on the other dog} are the two traits that make trial dogs very successful, but are very frustrating to gun hunters. In many formats it may have started out to be a group of gun hunters getting together at field trials to see who had the best gun dogs, but now {in many cases} it is field trialers getting together to see who can win the most trials with dogs that you can also gun hunt with. Point being, the characteristics and traits that is needed to win trials are the main priority with the perks of also being able to gun hunt with them. It used to be the other way around. These days, on a high average % of 100 gundogs {breeders breeding dogs specifically to be gundogs only and breeding for those traits} and 100 field trial dogs, {breeders breeding dogs specifically to have the traits to win field trials} the “true” gundog does not make the best field trialing dog. Nor does the best field trial dog make the best gundog. There is nothing “wrong” with either. I know people that would rather field trial than gun hunt, it all depends on what you want your dogs primarily for.