Natural broke beagles.

[JD Baisden]

I've got a 11 1/2 yr old beagle that has has only ran two things in his life, rabbits and pheasants. I've raised him from a pup and seen him jump a lot of deer while hunting. He would look at them and go back looking for a rabbit. I took him and 3 other dog hunting yesterday. I had one dog jump a rabbit and 1 yr old pup go in and found a deer track that smelled better so off he went. The old dog went in and checked and returned a few minutes later. He started hunting where he last smelled the rabbit and the race was back on. I'm with a lot of people on this board and won't say he is broke until he is dead and I can say he never ran anything off. I've raised pups out of him that never had to be shocked off deer but I've seen littermates to them run deer. So you just never know.

[wildcatfan0309]

I've got a 11 1/2 yr old beagle that has has only ran two things in his life, rabbits and pheasants. I've raised him from a pup and seen him jump a lot of deer while hunting. He would look at them and go back looking for a rabbit. I took him and 3 other dog hunting yesterday. I had one dog jump a rabbit and 1 yr old pup go in and found a deer track that smelled better so off he went. The old dog went in and checked and returned a few minutes later. He started hunting where he last smelled the rabbit and the race was back on. I'm with a lot of people on this board and won't say he is broke until he is dead and I can say he never ran anything off. I've raised pups out of him that never had to be shocked off deer but I've seen littermates to them run deer. So you just never know.

id call him broke then

[walleye101]

First of all, a dog cannot be "broken" from doing something it never did in the first place. But there are plenty of examples of dogs that will hunt over fresh deer scent without running them, that have never been "corrected" for running deer. Does that make them deer broke? No, but they obviously have some natural aversion to running deer. Maybe it is a genetic predisposition to have limited interest in deer. Or maybe as mentioned it was how they were started. Lots of early exposure to rabbit dialed them in on rabbit scent before they were ever tempted on a good hot deer run. When you get one enjoy it.

[Larry G]

Oh, ever time I go to a trade day, ALL the beagles for sale "ain't never run no trash".

[walleye101]

I've got a 11 1/2 yr old beagle that has has only ran two things in his life, rabbits and pheasants. I've raised him from a pup and seen him jump a lot of deer while hunting. He would look at them and go back looking for a rabbit. I took him and 3 other dog hunting yesterday. I had one dog jump a rabbit and 1 yr old pup go in and found a deer track that smelled better so off he went. The old dog went in and checked and returned a few minutes later. He started hunting where he last smelled the rabbit and the race was back on. I'm with a lot of people on this board and won't say he is broke until he is dead and I can say he never ran anything off. I've raised pups out of him that never had to be shocked off deer but I've seen littermates to them run deer. So you just never know.

id call him broke then

I,d call him straight. A broke dog is one who has run deer but has been broken from running them with electronics or other means.

[walleye101]

This topic brings up the obvious question; Have we become too dependant on electronics?

Let me make it clear, I use E-collars and would never give them up. But other popular topics on sites like these are folks describing the ultimate hound, or what particular traits are most important. Among the list of smarts, drive, desire, hunt, nose.......you rarely hear someone mention straight. I contend that the reason is it is so easy now to break dogs off deer with E-collars that trait of being naturally straight is fading in importance.

I recall my early days running coon hounds, E-collars were a distant dream. Somebodies brother inlaw always knew someone that had one, but that was as close as we ever got! At that time a straight hound was about the top of anyones list, and deer running resulted in more culling than any other fault.

Unfortunately since the trait gets little attention now, and since the tendency to run trash can be broken, folks are not really as concerned about that trait in breeding programs. Any thoughts?

[LaMarr Rhoades]

I still use the one and done system for young dogs here,they run one and there done.I have give away alot of dogs.

[Nor' Easter]

I can't see it being bred into the line personaly. You can train a hound to run, trail and find just obout anything.
Now temperment, ie: stubborness to listen/handle may be something to do with this though.
I've read before where the police tracking Bloodhounds have 1/6 beagle bred into them to reduce the stubborness of the bloodhound line.

[wildcatfan0309]

I've got a 11 1/2 yr old beagle that has has only ran two things in his life, rabbits and pheasants. I've raised him from a pup and seen him jump a lot of deer while hunting. He would look at them and go back looking for a rabbit. I took him and 3 other dog hunting yesterday. I had one dog jump a rabbit and 1 yr old pup go in and found a deer track that smelled better so off he went. The old dog went in and checked and returned a few minutes later. He started hunting where he last smelled the rabbit and the race was back on. I'm with a lot of people on this board and won't say he is broke until he is dead and I can say he never ran anything off. I've raised pups out of him that never had to be shocked off deer but I've seen littermates to them run deer. So you just never know.

id call him broke then

I,d call him straight. A broke dog is one who has run deer but has been broken from running them with electronics or other means.

lol
have to get my beagle dictonary out next time

[walleye101]

Not trying to be nit-picky on the terminology. Only trying to make the point that there is a lot of difference between a dog that has been broke from deer running and one that for some reason never bothered deer in the first place.

[walleye101]

I can't see it being bred into the line personaly. You can train a hound to run, trail and find just obout anything.
Now temperment, ie: stubborness to listen/handle may be something to do with this though.
I've read before where the police tracking Bloodhounds have 1/6 beagle bred into them to reduce the stubborness of the bloodhound line.

NorEast,
How then would you explain those pet shop/show beagles that have no interest in running rabbit. If you can breed it out why can't you breed it in?

[rabbitearl]

I agree Walleye101.I am going to ask this question for them that don t beleive that it could not be breed in the dog.If you had a female that you want to breed.You now have ended up with two males.They run thr rabbit the same,color same size papers, man there just the same.You just canot make up your mind.Then the man saids,This dog here just cannot be broke from running deer,it can really run a rabbit but just love deer.Now this male has never had a shock collor own.Man can really run a rabbit but could care less about a deer or fox.Now with that said.Which one would you breed too.Please donot come up with well if that dog can do that or that.What I m saying that the only different in these two dogs.

[wildcatfan0309]

I agree Walleye101.I am going to ask this question for them that don t beleive that it could not be breed in the dog.If you had a female that you want to breed.You now have ended up with two males.They run thr rabbit the same,color same size papers, man there just the same.You just canot make up your mind.Then the man saids,This dog here just cannot be broke from running deer,it can really run a rabbit but just love deer.Now this male has never had a shock collor own.Man can really run a rabbit but could care less about a deer or fox.Now with that said.Which one would you breed too.Please donot come up with well if that dog can do that or that.What I m saying that the only different in these two dogs.

well if that dogg can do that ot that

[JesandDeb]

A male we had for 18 years{Jumping Jack Flash} wouldn't even touch a deer track. AND was a pet shop beagle from Florida way back when. I have said it before and will again......this dog was an intense rabbit hunter . Three litters of his went out in Illinois through the years.....would love to have one of his relatives .....lots of Pearson Creek blood in him. Our other two ran both deer and rabbit......and if a pile of deer poop was in their way, they would even roll in it .....god, did they ever stink on the ride home

[LR Patch]

Who said a pet shop beagle want run a rabbit. Over the years I've had I'd say 20 calls from folks that someway or another found that I had beagles , they would call saying they lived in a sub-divided community & had bought little billy or sissy a pretty beagle last years from pet shop x,y,z and now the pup is 8 , 10 months old and its pissing off all the other folk & the owner cause it's getting out and run'n or attempting to run rabbits all night !!!! could I take it or find it a home where it could do what it loved doing chasining rabbits.
My thoughts are this , no line of hound is deer proof or any thing trash proof , a hound was devolped to use it's nose to track game , they run what they are started on if your lucky and can keep a young dog in rabbits and away from trashy dogs for most of it's first learning & run'n year say 6 months to 18 months you have a good chance a rabbit is all your dog will run , but a man never knows whats in a hounds mind.In 25+ years of these Patchs only ever had 1 that ever took a deer using the training mentioned above , I tried every deer breaking mythod I could find, beat him to a breath from death , shocked him until he had sores around his neck , took him to a man that had a deer in a barn stall and let the deer stomp the living crap out of him , he just loved them more , sorry to say he later died of lead poision. All the dogs I have now that I've trained ( started ) ,and here we have more f-ing deer than rabbit and I will say my dogs want start a deer , I want say if someone else's dog started 1 that mine want fall in , I know some want but some may , havent had this problem .I'm now and have always been very picky who I will run with , kinda like telling your kid to to hang out with the trouble maker kid , knowing sooner or later sh!t will happen. No line is deerproof , don't thing it's a thing you can breed in or out , start'm in rabbits keep'm rabbits and learn them to handle,handle,handle.