Lots of pups & dogs out there for sale ???

[sgc]

It makes you wonder - I just recently saw a new post for pups that had all the latest bloodlines in them. I couldn't, however, recognize the sire & dam. I could recognize all their ancestors. What does this mean? It makes me think! Is this person just breeding because of the ancestors in his line? Most of all, why is he advertising?!!! If he has such a good sire & dam, shouldn't all his friends & local beaglers be clamoring to get a pup from him? And, when you're successful & you make the same cross again, you definetly don't have to advertise. Why pay $250 for a pup or even $150 when all you're buying is some backyard beaglers pipe dream.

[lab]

I feel if a person wants to sell his pups for 100 or 300 it is his right. Some people work hard to get good bloodlines to hunt and sell. There is people out there who buys the breeding ,feeling there chances may be better that the dog will have some good traits and make a good dog. And for the people who sell dogs with good bloodlines but there dam or Sire is not well known so what. The only way a person knows about your dog is to hunt over your dogs or if you trial them they will see your dogs in action. Not all good dogs are in trials so there is no way every dog is going to be notice, but if the dogs you are breeding are good dogs and you can show that there ancesters come from a good line of dogs then there are some people out there looking to buy pups from a proven line of dogs.. It is like anything in life you can buy the off brand or the expensive brand. I own many of the great proven line of dogs out there and alot of the dogs I have today I would run with anyones dog . I just believe if you study a line of dogs and the traits are there your chances are better of getting a good dog from that litter. Sometimes it pays to give a little more for a proven line then to just pay 50 or 100 dollars for something you know nothing about. Yes there is people out there including myself who sometimes experiments by crossing certain lines hoping to get a better dog. Without trying we will never know. If you raise pups and have a litter you will know how much expense and time it takes to raise puppies. The breeder will never get rich ,just hoping to put some good dogs out there and make some dog food money. I hate it that the economy in the last 8 years has went to hell and everything is going up but should we slam the beagle breeders because they are trying to get what they think there pups are worth. You can look at it another way. Some people may price there pups cheap and some people out there do not buy them thinking cheap means no good.

[Ark]

I just recently saw a new post for pups that had all the latest bloodlines in them. I couldn't, however, recognize the sire & dam. I could recognize all their ancestors. What does this mean?

What it means to me is that person doesnt trial or the dog isnt quite good enough to make champion.

But that doesnt mean they arent good dogs.

[sgc]

I think all I'm really saying is that I know a breeder who never posts on here or advertises pups for sale. He doesn't have a computer and wouldn't know how to use one. He doesn't have to advertise, though, because he has waiting lists for his pups. Why spend the high dollar for a pup from some guy who posts on this site and who has to advertise to sell his pups. How come at the least his buddies aren't all over him for a pup. I'd give him $100 if I was interested in his blood or $150, at most, if he was closer to me. Also, I get a litte suspicious when I see the same guy or guys always with pups and adult dogs for sale and always with the latest top bloodlines.

[Keystone Kid]

Seems to be a lot for sale these days with not many buying. I think the prices are coming way down on well bred pups and running dogs. I know I'm in the market for a young hound & have crossed many off my list because the price of gas could add another $130 (at least) to the cost if I had to drive 5 hours (one way) to pick up. Thoughts ???

Your right there's a lot of good pups for sale and the prices might go down some, but not to far down if they're really well breed. I sold three litters of pups that were all born with in 10 days of each other. From the very beginning, Males were priced at $200 & female were priced at $250. If they bought a second or third pup I would knock off $100 on the second or third ones. Only if they asked would I make any adjustments in pricing. Most were very happy at the prices I quoted them from the beginning.

You put a quality product on the market that looks better than most of the competition, and give them a guarantee on it and it will sell.

25% of the pups had deposits on them with in 2 weeks after the mother's "were breed".

50% of the pups had deposits on them prior to being born

25% of the pups had deposits on them after they were born

The rest I either keep myself or plan to co-own with other Beaglers

[beaglechase]

Beaglechase, you said everyone of your females came from reputible breeders, but said nothing about how YOU felt they PERFORMED, and what you felt they would contribute to the beagle breed. That leads me to assume that they are out of one of the latest craze studs bred back to another latest craze stud, and you sold a bunch of puppies, and because of that fact you were able to sell entire litters to indivduals that are stud blind to what is popular, and not keep one from that cross for yourself, which in my opinion is the only reason you would breed a female. The last litter I bred, I kept 4 in my family and sold 2, one because he was 17" tall and 1 because he was 13 1/2" tall. I have bred 4 females in the last fifteen years and have 2 in my kennel that I would consider breeding in the future. I only have 10 dogs in my kennel at one time so it takes awhile to find a good one. Brian.

Crittergitter, I agree you have to start somewhere, but you still need to start with something worth starting from. Brian.

Brian first do you understand what a reputible breeder means? There are a lot of reputible breeders in this fine state of Ky, if you either talking about horses or dogs, and if you never ran with any of the stock from these kennels you shouldn't pass judgement, And the reason I didn't get intothe performance of my hounds, some would feel that is bragging. and get annoyed, and far as the latest stud craze I guess I am gulity , dogs out of Reggie, Jasper, code blue. blue Rocky,sexton's Hobo, and now Larsons Jackson, and yes I like to breed to the best I can find- and the dog I breed to is in demand why? because he throws good hounds. and the one liter that the person came and got was the one I purchased the hound off of in the begining. this man has brought some of the best into this area, a lot on the trial circuit winning...and far as not keeping one out of all litters, he holds on to them, one to use as a future stud dog and trial hound and the female to trial and get some more out of this line it is a proven cross, he sold the first cousin of this dog for 2500dollars question did he get this money for the breeding or his ability to run a rabbit? I have other hounds out of Reggie other reggieI, houndsI have sold or traded ,, Now the one I feel as heros are those breeders who are never satisfied with the hound they own, even a world beater, but always seeking for one better...no matter the cost...and not selfish about it...

[Eva's Beagles]

Beaglechase, breed what you want, I don't care. Brian.

I don't give a flying F#$% about horses.

[Duke]

My opinion breeding is everything when it comes to producing top quality hunting hounds. With that said I believe that many popular stud dogs are bred to any female out there and that can produce inferior hounds and may not be representative of the stud dogs quality. There is only so much 50% of a breeding can overcome. With that said quality hounds come from two sources a top quality stud and a top quality dam. I dont say this to offend any grade breeders as I am talking of top quality hounds regardless of there pedigree. With that said however, pedigrees are important when it comes to consistently breeding quality hounds.

Also there are stud dogs who have been great performers that do not produce the same. They are bred many times before it is realized that they are not really producers. The sad thing is those poor performers, that come from non-producing stud dogs or from a breeding with a poor Dam, end up being traded many times. It is obvious to all whether hounds are reproducing or not when it is either difficult to find a 1 to 2 year old dog for sale out of that breeding, or there are many for sale as they just dont make the grade. The best just arent for sale. It is far too difficult to get the truly great dogs to just sell them.

And yes there are those who breed anything to anything to make a few bucks. This is a free country, so they can do as they will, but it doesnt always make things right. We need to be responsible and to improve the breed, I believe it is proper to cull, and there are ways to do it kindly, spay or neuter non-performers and give them away as pets or give them to someone who just wants an ok hunting dog.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Well said Joseph.
Bottom line is....it's a free country breed what you like and name your price but always keep the bettering of the breed your first responsibility.