Jump dog or track dog.

rabbitearl · Post by **rabbitearl** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:45 pm

I have alot of hunters that comes to my pens to run there dogs,and some of these men can run a rabbit like they are tie to him but donot have any jump power at all.They say the running part is more imported than the jump part. How do yall feel about this.

chapkosbeagles · Post by **chapkosbeagles** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:01 pm

i think that they are equily importain if they can run a rabbit that good breed one of your hard hunting dog to one of them and see what you get it might bring up the hunt in them

bobs beagles · Post by **bobs beagles** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:05 pm

I will not feed one that wont hit the thick stuff to find a rabbit if a pup is not jumping often by a year old its going in the bone pile

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:33 am

Can't run it unless it jumps it first. But its real nice to have a hound that runs a Rabbit right.

BJK · Post by **BJK** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:22 am

A couple of years ago I went hunting with a buddy. He released his dogs and pointed out each of his dogs. "This is Mike and he's my jump dog, this Joe and he's my track dog, this is Susie and she's my check dog and this is Homer and ......." My question for him was, why can't you have all those traits in one dog? With the prices of dog food and gas going through the roof one might think that streamlining (fewer numbers, increase in quality) is the way to go.

Ky. Hunter · Post by **Ky. Hunter** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:13 am

If a dog doesn't have both I will not keep it. I have had some that were very good at jumping but their tracking power wasn't there and had some that had all the tracking power but no jump and they had to go. I like dogs that if you have to go to the field with only dog for some reason or another it can get the job done. I want mine to contribute to the pack in all areas.

chapkosbeagles · Post by **chapkosbeagles** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:19 am

well said guys

khaos · Post by **khaos** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:35 am

If you like long walks through the Briar's getting scratched up having to beat briar's to jump a rabbit so that you can have a race that's great. I myself love to run dogs used to love to rabbit hunt now if i only get 10 a hunting season that's a lot for me. I can't see having a dog that won't go jump its own rabbit. A good dog is a dog that will go out and search and jump his own rabbit and then run it like it is tied to it. A lot of people say that you can't have both but that is not true. I do and I know that there are plenty of others on these boards that do. Sometimes the people that own the dogs mess them up by walking them and beating briar's when they are young dogs trying to get a race started to fast and before you know it they are depending own you to jump all of the rabbits.

Briarhoppers · Post by **Briarhoppers** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:02 am

I agree w/ BJK - well rounded dogs are what I strive to keep. Dogs that hunt, jump their share of rabbits, run the track well and get their share of checks. I definately prefer to have a pack of well rounded dogs than a pack of "specialist."

That being said a true expert jump dog can be a very unique dog...and pretty amazing to watch work. Most of the really good ones that I have seen were very independent, they don't care what the rest of the pack is doing. They just do their thing. Also, the best ones that I have seen are not briar busting bulldozers or wide hunting ground covering runners, but rather they just slip around scenting air and then crawl under here and check in there, they do not hesitate to go into anything included bulldozer push-up piles, fallen barns, etc.

Propably the best true jump dog I had I ended up selling b/c that is all she could do. The other dogs pulled her pretty hard on the track and she never got a check. But, she could flat find a rabbit....just knew where they were.

We focus alot on how dogs run a track (med. or fast, tight or wide, gears, no gears) we also focus a lot on how they work a check (point of lost or reaching, etc). But its interesting to watch a dog hunt and jump a rabbit.

On one end of the spectrum you've got dogs that cover a lot of ground and hunt wide and far. They are basically hoping to hit a rabbit track or a rabbit on the move. They may cover an acre in 5 min. and are off looking elsewhere. My experience is that these dogs jump a lot of rabbits when rabbits are out and about moving, feeding and breeding, etc. Take that same dog in the middle of the winter after a hard freeze (we are in the south here) and the rabbits are sitting tight in the thickest nastiest stuff around and that dog will struggle to find a rabbit.

On the other end of the spectrum you've got dogs that will hunt very slow and methodical and they will cover every bit of ground and they may spend 1/2 the morning in an acre of thickets. This dog will get those rabbits sitting tight, but you are not going to cover much ground with them, even in a whole day of hunting.

The third type of dog just follows the others around watching to see who is going to jump the rabbit.....another name for this dog is worthless...even if they sound great running the track.

In my experience a great jump dog is neither the fast ground covering dog or the slow methodical dog. They just know where to look on that given day and they produce rabbits consistently. We all need to breed more of this into our dogs.

-Pete

fulcount · Post by **fulcount** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:53 am

Pete
the last three sentences of your post say it all as far as a jump dog
goes
They just seem to know where to look dont they?
There are dogs that look busy all the time and cant start a rabbit
others that are good jump dogs just know where to look it seems
Say what you will A really good jump dog is hard to come by with all the tools
John O

Dale D · Post by **Dale D** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:26 am

I agree with KY Hunter If a dog doesn't have both I will not keep it. If a dog won't get in the thick stuff then he has to go. I'm not going in there and thats why i feed him--to jump and bring the rabbit to the gun.

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bluemouse · Post by **bluemouse** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:07 am

I will agree with most of these replys, but where are you willing to draw the line in the sand on a hound, I have three that can start and run there own rabbit, but all three are different, my little female is a rabbit jumping machine like said just knows where to find them, but I have one male that will trail a two day old rabbit poot, sometimes I just have too bump him a little to get his head in the game if scenting conditions are good, but when scenting condition are dry and windy I am thankful to have a hound like this because he is so determine to find the rabbit, so I know on those days give him time and he will find the bunnies.The female if she ever he-he's then opens better cock your gun. I know some of you guys have said you would not have a cold nose trail dog and I can understand that to some extent, but the question should be do you correct this behavior when not needed and allow it when needed. I as mentioned before a little bump and a few nice words like get your butt over here or I can growl at him and he will stop and start a different search. Knowing what you dogs are doing and keeping them close to you during a hunt is the key for me but I only rabbit hunt no trials.

rabbitearl · Post by **rabbitearl** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:48 pm

Fellers these men said.The running part was more imported than the jump part.I just wanted to know how you feel about this.This is how I feel about it.If he has to go in the woods and jump them a rabbit and if I got a gun in my hand he is not going to hear the rabbit race long.Now I donot shoot rabbits on the jump,but when it start to come back. Bang get me another rabbit up.I say the jump part is more imported.And far as having a true jump dog,I used to have one twenty years ago.I would take her back any time and all I want her to do was jump that rabbit nothing eles.I went hunting with a man 35 years ago.He had a bird dog that would point a rabbit an stay at that point when the beagles were running a rabbit.In other words he have one waited when you got done running the other rabbit.Now I donot know about yall but I would love to have that.But then again where there are lots of rabbits you donot need nether one.Go to a place were there are lots of rabbits it will make anybody dogs look good.Thank fellers for the reply

bluemouse · Post by **bluemouse** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:18 pm

GETTER DONE, now thats funny don't care who you are! The rabbit habitat has changed from field and hedgerows-- you would have to have one of them beeping collars to find a bird dog in the briar patches we hunt.

wvduece · Post by **wvduece** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:29 pm

to be honest with everybody i wouldnt keep one that couldnt do both i dont need no speciality dogs i hear people syaing that all the time track dog or real jump dog i got 4 beagles right now n any one of them can jump n run their own rabbit in pack or solo wouldnt have one any other way jb

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