Dog Dies in Iditarod Trail Sled Race

[WrongsideRandy]

2 things going on here, first, what is and is not cruel to animals? My feeling is distance racing for dogs or horses is not because they are usually policed by vets who do TPR checks and so forth. Fine young men die in hot weather football practice. That does not make football unworthy IMHO.

2nd is dishonesty in beagle trialing. I think that played a part in reducing the old brace boys to a joke. It became an old boys network. Same thing is happening in gundog.

Bev I did not know she promised to trial your dog and reneged. I don't pay too much attention to promises anymore, they are a dime a dozen.

LarryG, Just for the record. Bev is mistaken when she says we reneged on anything. I bought the dog to make a PP Champion, and that's what I did. Maybe Bev can clarify this before she deletes my post. I have no idea what she is talking about

[WrongsideRandy]

It wasn't a promise, Larry. It was an understanding. They took her to some trials right off the bat and she did indeed go Grand on the bench (while she still had decent conformation) but I don't know about the field

Get your facts straight before you open your flapper. Call ARHA, ask them if she is a Champion in PP. Bev, why would I lie to you?? She certified at Danville with Mace Clark, Josh Clark and Dale Barnes at the Burket farm. And the fact still remains........she became a LP Champion by winning a cast where every other dog ran deer and she had been beaten so bad she wouldnt touch trash. And again...how many times do you have to breed a bitch before you give up?

She won at SMBC. Certified at CIBC. Call Kim or Joyce and ask them......

[WrongsideRandy]

'when you sold my "green" behind on that Gunsmoke breeding' of yours

Are we talking about the Gunsmoke/Little Man bred dog that I gunned rabbits over at age 7 months? The same one you quickly bred to a female of your own choosing and kept 2 pups...and named one after him? I wanna make sure we're talking about the same dog, because I don't recall you ever coming to me about being unhappy with him. If you think I was insensitive to your "green behinds" then I apologize for taking those midnight calls from Shannon and talking for hours on end when she had a health issue on a dog or was trying to keep a litter of pups alive. I apologize for my little part in getting you into the sport to begin with, and because you were running that junk of MC's when I met you and you needed rabbit dogs that would hunt, knew when to shut up, and what direction they were supposed to be going. Your "green behinds" were taken before I came along.

Congratulations on Gale's achievements. I suppose she deserves biscuits and gravy and a life of toenail painting at this point. Who did you breed her to so many times to determine she wasn't a reproducer? I'd be interested in knowing who the males were.

Bev, Sorry for blowing up on ya and for you feeling as though "I" brought something to your board that should not have been here. Sorry to hear you have carried that weight around about Gale being such a disappointment, but I must admit it dont shock me. Seems most people dont have the nerve to say what is on their minds now days. I honestly doubt if Shannon even thought about it being disrespectful to you. I know you guys tried helping us out, and I am thankful I own her.

Just so you know Hendricks County no longer has 3 dog rule and I done went to a hearing long ago...like a fence can contain barks, lol....I should have known better.

I bred Gale to Dreamboat....and that was it. I dont know who bred her but I do know she has 6 or 7 litters that was registered, and only 1 are mine. So someone did a lot of breeding. Maybe Kissinger.

Yes, Dustie/Geronimo....I kept them all but 1....and still have 3 out of that breeding.

Take Care,
Randy

[Bev]

Randy, if i used the word reneged then I take it back. I also take back any accusation that you trashed a plan. This is what happens when people quit communicating, and I'm not too big to apologize when I'm wrong. I've always thought the world of you and Shannon, but there have been other times throughout the years that you (and other people) have used this board to push an agenda, and in the process it put me in the middle of a fight I didn't want to be in. I was forced to choose loyalties and if i didn't, then I was accused of being a coward. I'm a lot of things, but a coward, I'm not.

Now, what truth do you think I need to tell but am afraid to? Don't hold back now, speak your mind. My life's pretty much been an open book since Sept 2001, and open to the scrutiny of about 4,500 others. What truth do I need to tell that I'm so afraid to do?

[Bev]

*hears crickets* (lol)

[Larry G]

Pike I don't like coyotes either and will kill all I can, but I won't make a public spectacle of it. And I do not see how, if fighting bulldogs can land a man in jail, 4 hounds on a crippled coyote wouldn't be considered just as bad by the people who helped put Vick away. Yeah I know it might help get the hounds keen to run another one down.

The tree huggers don't play with the same deck as us. If you think I am just woofing ask the EX foxhunters in England, that is the sort of thing (hounds on a fox) that cost them their sport.

[Bev]

Just so you know Hendricks County no longer has 3 dog rule and I done went to a hearing long ago...like a fence can contain barks, lol....I should have known better.

I would be interested in hearing about this. The 3-dog rule is one thing that has kept me from moving out of this rat-hole of a city and into the surrounding counties (including Hendricks county where I now work). At least in Marion County there's no limit on the amount of dogs you can keep...you just have to account for their rabies, give them acceptable kenneling, treatment, etc.

[WrongsideRandy]

Well..I was going to just let this thread die-out but after reading some replies ..I need to just say a few things....I was disappointed in Gale as well,she barked outside all time,she picked fights with other females(till they nailed her back),she was'nt a good mother to pups...she would nip at them,Be mean to them,and would lay down in the middle of a hunt,then started having seizers(sp)(would'nt want anyone to attack my spelling),that cost 300 dollors,,as for not mentioning things about beaglers,beagles,OR,where you got them or how they turned out...well that's the buried ones your speaking of..LAME,,EVERY pup born here has lived a longer life than the one's we purchased elsewhere,,Leroy,Ranger,Trade,YES my best dogs dead,,,hmmm,,my Dustie pups are still alive but Moe,,he passed away about a year ago,and Randy sold one to a family...Gale is 11 now..she hates thunder will hide from storms,kidneys are shot,has a weak bladder, but we love her,and I loved my so- called buried dogs,,how low can you go,,I never made fun of one's dead dogs,,I was just seeing how people felt about the Iditarod and a dog's well being,,then beagles got brought in,and not by myself.Im sorry in I offended anyone,,To each his own I guess..I will and always will believe the animals due take alot of mis-treatment in any sport,sore pads,there life,cut up,etc...Im just glad to be out and Im sure you are all too! Shannon

[WrongsideRandy]

the story was in the Hendricks county flyer dated 4-20-2002 ...I cant get old link to pull up but here in Danville we dont even have to but dog tags anymore? I went in to get them a month or so ago,,and they told me not to worry about it, they are not selling them anymore,I said well I like them because if they got loose ,you can find out who they belong too,I went to specks and had them tags made!Shannon

[Danny King]

as i remember i think gale had heart worm thats why they quit running her for a second thing people bashing shannon and randy need there a.. wooped they are 2 of the best people i ever met in arha its a bad thing that they got black balled but hell so did alot of others they would put me up for free cook dinner and get me whatever i needed when i would come down there and i thank them for that. its her opinion on what she thinks of the race there is no need to set and bash her like that come on you are grown men and women and i will tell you another they had some of the best dogs i ran against when we ran for points and hell yea all the dogs are dead now but who cares i can promise you one thing you can say it on this board all big and bad but i dont think you would say it to randys face he would put an a.. woopen on you and if i was there and you said it to my face about them i would grab my beaten stick at put it to you trust me not someone to screw with

Danny King

[Ronnyg]

LMAO!! Danny talking about people acting all big and bad on the board and threatens to use a "beating stick" to handle someone. LOL. Danny anything I said on here I would say to anyone's face your's and your stick included. We all have our opinion same as Shannon and Randy do. We came on here and read a post that struck a nerve and responded to it. It got pretty heated but hey that's what happens when people are given the FREEDOM to express their views. They aren't gonna change our minds as we aren't gonna change their minds that's the great part about debates. Now as far as you and your stick go..........better make sure you lube that thing up and come on down.

[Danny King]

i dont care what people write about what they think its when they write and bash people in general thats what pisses me off dont care about what you wrote didnt even read the whole post just people need to keep there traps shut and not bash others thats all im saying

[bill (flint river )]

danny i am 30 min from u. and this post was BS from the start. i read that peta lovin link they posted. i dont have to agree, nor will i. the hound got sicked and died, it would have happen at home. stuff happens, but dont start preaching to me about that race, wich half of us no nothing and bashing them.


know as to your threat, go ahead and try taking a swing at me. I DARE YA!!!!!!!!

586-405-7120 bill


i live in columbiaville

[Bev]

I don't think anyone here (including myself) "made fun" of anyone's dead dogs. Shannon, if that's what you think I doing when I stated that y'all had dogs die in her kennel (and I clarify) "like we all do" it was merely to point out that everyone loses their beloved dogs sometimes - regardless of how much they are loved or how well they are treated. That's why I thought it harsh for you to judge the musher as you did.

I know first-hand how the Beavers care for their dogs. There are children in this world who could only wish to be treated as well. My point is that some may interpret their care to be equally cruel on a different level. (I still think you keep your dogs too fat, Shannon. I've always told you that...(lol) and that its' not good for them, IMO, but they're your dogs.) On the same token, I know they aren't tied out on a short chain somewhere in a mudhole. They are probably lying in their indoor boxes on a puffy comforter dried with not one, but TWO fabric softener sheets.

I'm sorry Gale turned out to be so afflicted. I didn't get her until she was already 3 or 4 years old, only had her a few months, and didn't experience anything near to that. While she was here, she was "gunned and runned" and didn't pick on any of our bitches, but she was never bred here, and never had the first seizure. I'm glad you gave her a safe home. I did the same with my beagle/rat terrier Sydney Louise. I kept her and loved her every day until she was 12, and finally put her down because her seizures were really affecting her quality of life.

I'm still sorry this thread ever got started. I think there was plenty of bashing and feeling defensive going on from all sides. And for the record, I wish people wouldn't make posts about animal cruelty here. It DOES put me in the uncomfortable position of deciding what needs to be cut and what doesn't -- for all our goods. I believe in a certain amount of freedom to speak our minds, but what to do when one person's freedom jeopardizes another's?

[Windkist]

I'm still sorry this thread ever got started. I think there was plenty of bashing and feeling defensive going on from all sides. And for the record, I wish people wouldn't make posts about animal cruelty here. It DOES put me in the uncomfortable position of deciding what needs to be cut and what doesn't -- for all our goods. I believe in a certain amount of freedom to speak our minds, but what to do when one person's freedom jeopardizes another's?

I agree Bev. While someone might think that a sled dog dying is cruelty, in my opinion those dogs LOVE what they do. They are no different than hunting dogs who clammor to get out of the kennel to run or show dogs who see the truck being loaded with show things and want to go. Dogs are extremely adaptable animals and enjoy being with their owners and caretakers. What it boils down to though is that dogs belong to their owners. We OWN them and they do our bidding and for that they get a good home and food (I hope) and love. They become part of our families and memories for our children. Not only do dogs die but, they usually die too soon for me. I'm sure the Musher was heartbroken to loose his old friend.

On another topic which should be close to our hearts, Los Angeles is fighting to keep their puppies (4 months) from being spayed and neutered. The fight is on with the Anti's and Uno will be there this week to present a sizable check to the cause from WKC. We could all donate a few bucks to this worthy cause. One day something like this might be something we fight in our own town. http://www.cdocaction.org

Leah