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danny vansickle wrote: let me tell ya what saved the dog,i was savin this for later,the judge called time out before the orange had a chance to get in with the two dogs,that was the judges reason for not scratching him,he obviously went with them for 18 minutes,but,because he said time out before the dog had a chance to reach the other two,it was allowed to return,now,the dog was only 50 yrds behind them and pulling when time was called.
That is irrelevant that the judge called time out.
All that means is the clock is stopped and he is not scoring.
A deer chase is still a deer chase, all hounds in the chase get scratched.
The only time I believe that time would be arguable is if a judge tried to scratch a dog for an offgame chase that started after the hunt was over and time had been called.
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[quote="danny vansickle"][

let me tell ya what saved the dog,i was savin this for later,the judge called time out before the orange had a chance to get in with the two dogs,that was the judges reason for not scratching him,he obviously went with them for 18 minutes,but,because he said time out before the dog had a chance to reach the other two,it was allowed to return,now,the dog was only 50 yrds behind them and pulling when time was called.

Thats why I ask how long or far the judge allowed the deer race to happen I was just curious if he allowed all dogs to check them before he decided which dogs to scratch as far as the time out I dont think it matters.

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For this very reason, I let the dogs leave the country on a deer or off game chase, I don't want to hear all of the excuses about my dog didn't open, he don't run deer, he stopped and was hunting somewhere else. If a handler wants to catch his dog when he knows it is a deer that is up to him, but the dog is scratched automatically. All others will get the chance to go or not go so that there are no shades of grey. I had a guy get upset a couple of years ago at a trial when his dog and one other left the country on a deer, 2 dogs came right back to the owner and one checked them and came back. The dogs running deer were caught 2 ridges over about 1 hour later and the one guy was complaining that they were running a rabbit when he caught them. They had to get in a truck and drive about 5 miles to catch the dogs. Some people are in denial so you just do what you have to do and don't worry about. If I am judging though the dogs will get a full opportunity to run it or turn it down. There will be no quick time outs.

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I was in the cast you are talking about. From what I remember that off game race was check free until we couldn't hear them anymore.
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You are right Pete you were on that cast and your dog didn't go. There were a couple of folks in denial that day, but they didn't protest. I didn't call dead track until they were completely out of hearing.

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Big Dog wrote:You are right Pete you were on that cast and your dog didn't go. There were a couple of folks in denial that day, but they didn't protest. I didn't call dead track until they were completely out of hearing.

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Jimbo, Pete and I know each other well. He is right the dogs jumped on the edge of a field pounded around the field and then up and over a couple of ridges until they went completely out of hearing. There was 2 people that were kind of still questioning whether it was a deer race or not. I actually didn't wait very long, i scratched the two running deer and put the other 3 back on the ground. Even at the end of the cast there was one individual that was still talking about whether it was trash or not. Even after the dogs were caught and bought back two ridges over in a truck.

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Big Dog wrote:Jimbo, Pete and I know each other well. He is right the dogs jumped on the edge of a field pounded around the field and then up and over a couple of ridges until they went completely out of hearing. There was 2 people that were kind of still questioning whether it was a deer race or not. I actually didn't wait very long, i scratched the two running deer and put the other 3 back on the ground. Even at the end of the cast there was one individual that was still talking about whether it was trash or not. Even after the dogs were caught and bought back two ridges over in a truck.

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Big Dog wrote:Jimbo, Pete and I know each other well. He is right the dogs jumped on the edge of a field pounded around the field and then up and over a couple of ridges until they went completely out of hearing. There was 2 people that were kind of still questioning whether it was a deer race or not. I actually didn't wait very long, i scratched the two running deer and put the other 3 back on the ground. Even at the end of the cast there was one individual that was still talking about whether it was trash or not. Even after the dogs were caught and bought back two ridges over in a truck.

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WRONG CAST BIG DOG,YOU WAS NOT OUT THERE,THE JUDGE WAS A TALL BOY FROM PA.,THE ONLY DOGS THAT DID NOT GO WAS SAMMT WELLS MIRICAL DOG AND A DOG THAT BELONGED TO KEVIN SHACKERT AND HIS DAD WAS HANDLIN IT,YOU GUYS ARE GETTIN YOUR CASTS MIXED UP OR SOMETHIN,THERE WHERE A FEW DEER RACES THAT DAY.

THIS CAST CONSISTED OF ME,TIM BOYER,BILL GOLDERSLEEVE,THESE ARE THE DOGS THAT WENT,BILLS DOG IS THE ONE THAT CAME BACK AFTER 18 MINUTES,THE JUDGE CALLED TIME OUT BEFORE BILLS DOG HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK THEM,MY OPINION IS THAT 18 MINUTES IS A LIL LONG TO CHECK A TRACK AND TURN IT DOWN,A COUPLE GUYS SAID THEY HEARD A THIRD BARK,I CANT HONESTLY SAY I DID,BOTTOM LINE IS THEY DONT HAVE TO BARK,THE DOG WENT WITH TIMS DOG AND MINE,BILL CALLED AND CALLED AND SHE EVENTUALLY CAME BACK.

THE ONLY DOGS THAT DID NOT GO WAS SHACKERTS DOG AND THE MIRICAL DOG OF SAMMY WELLS.

THE JUDGE FROM PENSILVANIA WAS A NEW JUDGE,I TOOK HIMTO THE SIDE AFTER THE HUNT,ACCTUALLY THE NEXT DAY,I TOLD HIM HOW I WOULD HAVE HANDLED IT,I LET HIM KNOW THAT I WOULD HAVE WAITED TILL THE 3 RD DOG HAD A CHANCE TO CHECK IT,I LET THEM GO,ANYTIME A OFF GAME SITUATION COMES UP,I LET THEM GO,THAT WAY THERE IS NO QUESTION,IF HE WOULD HAVE LET THE DOG REACH THE OTHER TWO AND GAVE IT A FEW MINUTES,THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO QUESTION.

I HAD NO ARGUMENTIN IT,I KNEW MY DOG WAS RUNNIN JUNK,BUT,I KNEW WHEN THE JUDGE SAID HE WAS ONLY SCRATHIN MY DOG AND TIMS,IT WAS LOOKIN BAD,HERE YA GOT TWO HOUNDS ON LEADS ,SAMMY'S DOG AND SHACKERTS,THAT CAME STRAIGHT TO THE HANDLERS,THEY HAD 3 CHECKS EACH,THE THIRD DOG IN THE DEER RACE HAD 5.

PUT YOURSELF IN WELLS AND SHACKERTS PLACE,HERE THEY HAVE THEIR DOGS,NEVER HAD TO CHASE THEM OR NOTHIN,THEN THE DOG FROM PA,GOLDERSLEVES,IS GONE FOR 18 MINUTES ON OFF GAME,BUT IT IS ALLOWED TO RETURN,AND BEAT YOUR DOG.

THE JUDGE SAID"IF I HAD NOT CALLED TIME OUT BEFORE THE DOG REACHED THEM,SEEING HOW LONG IT HAS BEEN GONE,YES,I WOULD HAVE TO PROLLY SCRATCH IT."

I HAVE MY OWN OPPINION OF WHAT HAPPENED,BUT I WILL SAVE IT,THERE WAS NO DOUBT MY DOG WAS ON JUNK,BUT,I FEAL SAMMY AND SHACKERT TOOK A BAD ONE THERE.

BIG DOG,YOU HAVE YOUR CAST TOTALLY MIXED UP WITH THIS ONE BUDDY...............
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Danny he is saying he had a similar incident happen. He is talking abouth the same thing that happened on a cast he was judging at some point not meaning your situation. :D
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Ronnyg wrote:Danny he is saying he had a similar incident happen. He is talking abouth the same thing that happened on a cast he was judging at some point not meaning your situation. :D

WELL,IT LOOKS AS IF JIMMIE THOUGHT HE WAS REFFERING TO MY CAST,THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY COMMENT,UNLESS I AM CONFUSED,ALL I KNOW IS NOW THERE ARE TWO DEER CHASES BEING DICUSSED,ON THE ONE I WAS IN,TWO DOGS CLEARLY TURNED IT DOWN,THEY BELONGED TO SAMMY WELLS AND KEVIN SHACKERT.ONE OF THEM TWO DOGS SHOULD HAVE WON THE CAST AND THE JUDGE SHOULD HAVE SCRATCHED THE DOG FROM PA.
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Re: you make the call...my deer chase from the nats
by Big Dog on Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:22 am

For this very reason, I let the dogs leave the country on a deer or off game chase, I don't want to hear all of the excuses about my dog didn't open, he don't run deer, he stopped and was hunting somewhere else. If a handler wants to catch his dog when he knows it is a deer that is up to him, but the dog is scratched automatically. All others will get the chance to go or not go so that there are no shades of grey. I had a guy get upset a couple of years ago at a trial when his dog and one other left the country on a deer, 2 dogs came right back to the owner and one checked them and came back. The dogs running deer were caught 2 ridges over about 1 hour later and the one guy was complaining that they were running a rabbit when he caught them. They had to get in a truck and drive about 5 miles to catch the dogs. Some people are in denial so you just do what you have to do and don't worry about. If I am judging though the dogs will get a full opportunity to run it or turn it down. There will be no quick time outs.

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Danny, Unless you are crying about something that happened a couple of years ago, I would say you are talking different casts. Big Dogs post says his was 2 years ago.

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Why would Danny protest? His dog was running deer, no questions. I think the judge jumped the gun on the time out. I do not know any of the people involved, but it seems a little odd :bozo: . I would have tried to see if the third dog was indeed in the race (with no time out called immediately). If he was running with them on the track opening or not for that distance, I would have scratched him. The dog does not have to come back to the handlers, but it does have to quit the track.
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tinymwoods wrote:Why would Danny protest? His dog was running deer, no questions. I think the judge jumped the gun on the time out. I do not know any of the people involved, but it seems a little odd :bozo: . I would have tried to see if the third dog was indeed in the race (with no time out called immediately). If he was running with them on the track opening or not for that distance, I would have scratched him. The dog does not have to come back to the handlers, but it does have to quit the track.
Well I dont know....why would he protest it on a chat board?

I know I have had dogs run pheasants, seen 5 out of 6 run it once...my dog kept going in and checking then swinging back to the judge, then would go check again, never barked but checked it several times..this went on for 5-6 minutes before the pheasant flushed. All dogs were scratched except mine. I dont think it has to quit the track, I just dont think it can pursue the track. Common sense says if 5 out of 6 dogs are running and checking and it continues for 5-10 minutes..the other dog is gonna finally check it again to make sure and then the rule would be punishing a dog harking in.....which it is not meant to do.

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Danny my post wasn't directed at you. I was giving an example of a situation I had a couple of years ago. Pete Tuck chimed in because he was actually in the cast. I wasn't referring to you at all, Pete and I are buddies and have trialed against each other quite a bit over the last 5 years in NC. He even has two males that he got from me last spring.

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