question about breeding.

[kodiac]

I have a red and white tri color that has a copper nose and a little red ticking up her front leg. When i say little i mean like 5 or 6 spots. I want some red tick pups so i looked and looked and looked some more and finially found the red tick i wanted to breed her to. He is from a long line of ticks and his dam and sire were both ticks grandparent etc... I wanted to breed her cause i like the way she hunts and and love the way she trails. What are the odds i get some red tick pups. I really want some that look just like there DAD.The reason i ask is someone told me in order to get redtick pups you have to breed two red ticks. I dont know about breeding, just hunting.

[kodiac]

cmon, nobody has any experience in this?

[TC]

Genetics and Dominant genes are gonna play a BIG role here.....
THAT is Why it is SO important to KNOW the pedigrees on the Dogs you are breeding...
Look at the Parents and grandparents all the way back at least 3 generations on the studs side and the Bitchs Side Are there Redticks on Both Sides???
Southern beagles Would be able to give you a better explanation on Gene Dominance BUT if there are nothing but Tri colored dogs on the bitches Side then the odds are less than 50% that you will get redtick pups..
If there are redticks on Both Sides in the 3 generations then your odds are a little better..
you also have to look at What the Stud is Throwing in the way of color has he thrown a lot of redtick pups in any of the litters he was bred to before?
just a few thing you need to look at....
Breeding is usually a crapshoot as far as pups go..But you can INHANCE your odds.With Selective breeding.
me personally I NEVER breed just For Color!!!! there are A lot more Important thing such as HUNT, Conformation. Desire. Ect.
Good luck.

[ricky murphy]

Theres a fellow in Mississippi who's hounds throw red and blue ticks in the same litter.I think he's been breeding the same line for about 30 yrs.now.

[TC]

Thats what i am Saying is
if you breed a Black headed Bluetick whos mom and dad Where black headed To another whos mom and dad were black headed then your more than likely gonna get black headed blueticks!!!!!
Now throw a tri in there whos mom and dad were both tris then you may get a mix of both......

[Rabbit Huntin Fool]

Be careful about breeding for "Color". Is that Red Tick male stud a quality dog that runs the speed and have the traits you desire. If he is too loose, wide, mouthy,swinging,skirting dog with no hunt then no matter how good he looks you will end up with poor puppys no matter how good your female may be. Find a Red Tick that has your desired running style and traits, dont settle for something close out of convienence. Good Luck

[wvduece]

southern beagles explained it to me a couple years ago if both parents have the ticking gene your odds of getting red ticks are very good form the pic ya posted i see the dog has the ticking gene southern told me if the tinyest of lil ticks are on the legs the dog has the ticking gene southern told me if it was as small as only one lil freckle the dog has ticking gene im shure southern can explain it alot better n in more detail good luck in your breeding jb theres a red tick by the name of johnson red lundy that is a good looking red tick n he is a lp type dog too i belive he only need a few points to champion maybe he has by now i started to use him last summer but used a bluetick close to home

[buffett]

I'm new here but I'll chime in. If you want to breed for appearance then I'm guessing you're in the wrong place unless you have a long established line. I know back in the 70's we bred Patch and the nearly all whites would throw smokey-gray tri's that were some great jumpers but if we tried to breed for color it usually ended up with dogs that were not the color we wanted and couldn't hunt. just my newby opinion......-Kevin

[kodiac]

thanks guys on the answers except for the guy telling me i was in the wrong place. If you read my post you would see that the only reason i have decided to breed my jip is cause i like her and the way she hunts and trails. I did not breed to the first ticked dog i found, not by a long shot. I went a long ways to find this dog and i wanted to breed to its dad but they stopped studding it out to the public. I dont think there is anything wrong with breeding the dog you want and if that includes the way it looks thats great too. I am breeding the dog i want not the one someone else wants. I figured if i had a question about breeding and dogs what better place to ask. If i dont like the dogs i get there is a chinese resturant in town that will take em. Anyhow, thanks for the great answers.

[ricky murphy]

From looking at your hound in post,i figure you got a good chance getting a red tick pup are two if you breed it to a dog with alot red ticks up close in its ped.Let us know how it turns out.

[CPC]

My guess is u will get blanket back with ticked legs from what I am hearing from ur stud and dam. jmho

[buffett]

thanks guys on the answers except for the guy telling me i was in the wrong place. If you read my post you would see that the only reason i have decided to breed my jip is cause i like her and the way she hunts and trails. I did not breed to the first ticked dog i found, not by a long shot. I went a long ways to find this dog and i wanted to breed to its dad but they stopped studding it out to the public. I dont think there is anything wrong with breeding the dog you want and if that includes the way it looks thats great too. I am breeding the dog i want not the one someone else wants. I figured if i had a question about breeding and dogs what better place to ask. If i dont like the dogs i get there is a chinese resturant in town that will take em. Anyhow, thanks for the great answers.

I'm that guy. I apologize, I'm new here. Guess I didn't read your post thoroghly enough, sorry.

[Lefgren-Lane]

Kodiac,
If the male you plan on using is a true red tick then he will have the liver or eraser colored nose and bit lighter colored eye (compared to a black/tn/wh) hound, just as your bitch does. Sense both the sire and dam will be chocolates (often called liver, red, Auburn Reds, Warfield Reds, etc., but correct name in genetics is chocolate) then they are both double recessive for the chocolate. In genetics terms they are both bb. Since both parents are bb, and each parent contributes one gene to the offspring, then the only gene the pups can get from the parents is a b. Thus the gene pair for all pups will also be bb. All the pups will be chocolates. The only other possibilities are if both parents carry the recessives d for dilution (dd hounds are blue or lilac, in your case they would be lilac since all your pups will be bb) or the e for non-extension of the blanket color (ee dogs are all bi-colored, ex. tn/wh, lemon/wh, yellow/wh, etc but in your case they would still have the eraser nose, lighter eye etc. that goes with chocolate).

Ticking is a Dominate gene T. Thus all the off spring of the breeding will be ticked to some degree. I would expect the density or amount of ticking to be a blending of the amount on the 2 parents. I woild also expect the amount of white area with ticking to be a blend of the two parents. The more white area then the more ticks that will show (ticking is colored hair in areas of white) and of course the denser or more closely spaced the ticks etc. Some can be so closely space to appear to be almost roan looking.

The spotting pattern in all beagles is a double recessive s-p, s-p, The p standing for piebald pattern. Piebald pattern are often graded by using a scale that indicates the amount of white on the hound. The range can be from almost zero percent (no white) to 100 percent white (extremely opened marked hound). Most beagles in US are about grad 3 or 4 or 30 to 40 per4 cent of coat are white and the ticking will show up in the areas of white coat. If I breed two hounds together, one a grade 3 (looks like that might fit your girl) to a male that was grade 6 (ignore ticking, how much white would hound have without it?) then I would expect the offspring to be a blend of the parents or about a grade 4 to 5. Again those are expectations only and does not mean that the percent of white can not be much higher or evenless than either of the parents. (Think of things like amount of ticking, amount of white, etc. as you would size. If you breed a full 15 inch to a small 12 you would expect the pups to normally be of a size somewhere between both parents.)

I mentioned two other genes, the Dilution D or d and the Extension gene E or e for the recessive. In your case if both parents are carriers of the dilution recessive d then you have a 1 in 4 chance of getting a pup that is bbdd, or a lilac. (The beagle in my avatar was a lilac/tn/wh). If both the parents carry the recessive e then you have a 1 chance in 4 of getting a bi-colored pup, tn/wh, lemon/wh etc.

A black blanketed hound, the dominate B, that has the double recessive for dilution dd is a blue/tn/wh. (slate colored nose, a bit lighter eye than blk/tn/wh etc.) Make note that virtually all hounds that people "call" blue-ticks are actually black-ticks because they do not have the slate colored nose, lighter eye etc that goes with the double recessive dilution dd. If in doubt stand them next to a blk/tn/wh hound. If it is a true blue "double recessive dd" then you will be able to see the slate nose and lighter eye. A lilac is a chocolate that has the double recessive for dilution. Genes bbdd. The blue is either Bbdd or BBdd.

Some examples:
Blk/tn/wh BBDDEE, BBDdEE, BBDDEe, BBDdEe, BbDDEE, BbDdEE, BbDDEe, BbDdEe
Chocloate/tn/wh bbDDEE, bbDdEE, bbDDEe, bbDdEe
Blue/tn/wh BBddEE, BbddEE, BBddEe, BbddEe
Lilac/tn/wh bbddEE, bbddEe
bi-colored (tn/wh, yellow/wh, lemon/wh etc.) BBDDee, BBDdee, BbDDee, BbDdee, bbDDee, bbDdee, BBddee, Bbddee, bbddee

You can go through this excercise for ticking also. If a hound has a tick then it is dominate for ticking or T, thus it can be either TT or Tt. No ticks then tt. (Virtually all beagles are ticked althougth the amount or degree can vary considerably.) Thus they are usually (probably 90 plus percent of time or more) either TT or Tt. No ticking is rare.

[buffett]

Gosh, I was going to give an example using blue eyed humans but I stand in awe of the detail of that last post!

[Lefgren-Lane]

Thanks Buffert,

Another quick point about all hounds that are bb (chocolate/tn/wh), bbdd (lilac/tan/wh) or the bi-color variations (no extended primary or blanket color) thus bbDDee or bbddee. If you look at the eyes of the chocolate/tn/wh hound in the pictures in the posts by Kodiac you will see that one of the eyes shows a red reflection. You can see this same red reflection when you shine a light on all bb hounds (actually dogs) in the dark. (All hounds or dogs that are not bb thier eyes reflect back green.) (Some Siberians, Dalmations etc. can have blue eyes and they will reflect blue.) The eye reflection is a good way to tell what a bi-colored hound that you are not sure what it is genetically is. Red reflection then the hound is bb, or a chocolate without its chocolate, brown, liver, red, etc. blanket or possibly a lilac without its blanket. (the distinctive purple or reddish blue nose of the lilac will usually give away its genetic makeup of bbdd.) The eyes on all bb dogs, hounds lack the pigment in the eye, thus we see the blood vessels in the back of the eye giving us the red reflection. This info is not original with me. A Russian researcher back in the 1930's was probably the first to write about it. Since that time others have noted the same thing and have improved on the original observations by tying it directly to the recessive b gene at the molecular level. A search on the web will find you some web sites that can give you more info about this.