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I guess one can justify a price for a hound by tabulating all the expenses one is forced to absorb by raising, travelling, maintenance, time put in, equipment or by tabulating an expected return on the investment, etc, etc...........but to my mind if one always did that then pups would have to sell for $2000 each. These expenditures go with running/hunting any dog for the most part, not just field champions. All in all though, I have no problem with how Green Bay prices his hounds......if he gets what he is asking all the power to him because the dog will have been worth it, and not because of all the costs behind the hound or the expected forcast of pup sales or stud fees, but because a buyer came forth with the cash .....thereby validating the asking price. The dog will have been worth it to them. Unless buying a hound to run a rabbit becomes mandatory like auto insurance, it will always be a buyers market.
It's not that life is short......it's just that we're dead for such a long, long time...
Thank you, FastFeet Hounds, Buschbound, and Bullboy!
This entire mess started when Todd Fitzgerald, VT, sent me a personal em. He was interested in buying Sandi. I will quote him, "Give me an idea on what you were thinking for a price on her." I em him back and stated, $3,000. I figured he would offer me $2,000, and then we would split at $2,500. If you are an intelligent beagler, you definately know that $2,500 is a steal for a hound of this caliber. I don't care if you are a hunter or a trailer, how many guys would sell their best for this price? (By the way, I have been hunting/running hounds for six days in a row. Today will be my seventh. I run dogs in my 60 acre pen 24-7-365 as well)
Sandi is an outstanding trial hound as well as gundog. I ran her yesterday with a 15" male and she did not lead him, but showed him where the rabbit was over and over) Let me get back on track.......When I em Todd and told him $3,000 he em me back and stated,"Does she skin and cook rabbits too?" He is not telling us the truth when he stated later that he has no problem with the price. After his pm to me is when I stated the pup selling option.
To be honest fellas, if someone I know offered me a low-ball price for Sandi, and pups out of her in the future, I would let her go to someone that would give her a great home and run her. However, when a guy calls me an ass, threatens to kick my ass, calls me an internet tough guy and then states I am a business man, it upsets me! Maybe his dogs can beat mine, maybe not. Maybe he can kick my ass, maybe not.
This entire mess started when Todd Fitzgerald, VT, sent me a personal em. He was interested in buying Sandi. I will quote him, "Give me an idea on what you were thinking for a price on her." I em him back and stated, $3,000. I figured he would offer me $2,000, and then we would split at $2,500. If you are an intelligent beagler, you definately know that $2,500 is a steal for a hound of this caliber. I don't care if you are a hunter or a trailer, how many guys would sell their best for this price? (By the way, I have been hunting/running hounds for six days in a row. Today will be my seventh. I run dogs in my 60 acre pen 24-7-365 as well)
Sandi is an outstanding trial hound as well as gundog. I ran her yesterday with a 15" male and she did not lead him, but showed him where the rabbit was over and over) Let me get back on track.......When I em Todd and told him $3,000 he em me back and stated,"Does she skin and cook rabbits too?" He is not telling us the truth when he stated later that he has no problem with the price. After his pm to me is when I stated the pup selling option.
To be honest fellas, if someone I know offered me a low-ball price for Sandi, and pups out of her in the future, I would let her go to someone that would give her a great home and run her. However, when a guy calls me an ass, threatens to kick my ass, calls me an internet tough guy and then states I am a business man, it upsets me! Maybe his dogs can beat mine, maybe not. Maybe he can kick my ass, maybe not.
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i have never paid 3000 for a beagle or anywhere close to it the most i have ever paid is 600 n i thought that was a steal because she was a 3 y/0 rabbit machine seemed like she could jump a rabbit when nothing else could i know alot of you people have had a few of those dogs in your life they dont come by very often now this female that i paid 600 for was a grade dog but she didnt know it i had hunted with her alot i was tickled to death to get to buy her i have young dogs from her too they are making rabbit dawgs she was not only a great rabbit dog but a good reproducer as well getting back to the 3000 dollar price dog like i said i never paid that much for one nor have i sold one that high but i have a 16 month old bluetic that has never been trialed that is turning into anoth one of those lifetime dogs n as bad as i could use the money especially right after christmas i wouldnt take 3000 for him right at this momet i have run with several of those high priced dogs they dont seem to be any better than my dogs the bluetic i was talking about above i got him as a gift from a good friend of mine gearald cline that gave him to me when was a young pup not even running i guess the price of a dog is whatever a man is willing to pay n how much he wants the dog he is buying enuf rambling price of beagles is based on accomplishment n pedigree i guess lots of guys buys pedigrees instead of dogs lol jb
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WHAT?????greenbay wrote:Thank you, FastFeet Hounds, Buschbound, and Bullboy!
This entire mess started when Todd Fitzgerald, VT, sent me a personal em. He was interested in buying Sandi. I will quote him, "Give me an idea on what you were thinking for a price on her." I em him back and stated, $3,000. I figured he would offer me $2,000, and then we would split at $2,500. If you are an intelligent beagler, you definately know that $2,500 is a steal for a hound of this caliber. I don't care if you are a hunter or a trailer, how many guys would sell their best for this price? (By the way, I have been hunting/running hounds for six days in a row. Today will be my seventh. I run dogs in my 60 acre pen 24-7-365 as well)
Sandi is an outstanding trial hound as well as gundog. I ran her yesterday with a 15" male and she did not lead him, but showed him where the rabbit was over and over) Let me get back on track.......When I em Todd and told him $3,000 he em me back and stated,"Does she skin and cook rabbits too?" He is not telling us the truth when he stated later that he has no problem with the price. After his pm to me is when I stated the pup selling option.
To be honest fellas, if someone I know offered me a low-ball price for Sandi, and pups out of her in the future, I would let her go to someone that would give her a great home and run her. However, when a guy calls me an ass, threatens to kick my ass, calls me an internet tough guy and then states I am a business man, it upsets me! Maybe his dogs can beat mine, maybe not. Maybe he can kick my ass, maybe not.
Let's add "LIAR" to your other name "Internet Tough Guy"
I have all your PM's that you sent to me, and the ones I sent to you. I'll be happy to send them to anyone that wants to read them.
You even gave me the names of two guys you beat up..Aaron Pryor and Chris Speilman.
Like I said to you before, Are these your sons ? Way to go, you must be very Proud....
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One last thing, I never once threatened to kick his A$$, So get it straight DUMB A$$........Run rabbit run wrote:WHAT?????greenbay wrote:Thank you, FastFeet Hounds, Buschbound, and Bullboy!
This entire mess started when Todd Fitzgerald, VT, sent me a personal em. He was interested in buying Sandi. I will quote him, "Give me an idea on what you were thinking for a price on her." I em him back and stated, $3,000. I figured he would offer me $2,000, and then we would split at $2,500. If you are an intelligent beagler, you definately know that $2,500 is a steal for a hound of this caliber. I don't care if you are a hunter or a trailer, how many guys would sell their best for this price? (By the way, I have been hunting/running hounds for six days in a row. Today will be my seventh. I run dogs in my 60 acre pen 24-7-365 as well)
Sandi is an outstanding trial hound as well as gundog. I ran her yesterday with a 15" male and she did not lead him, but showed him where the rabbit was over and over) Let me get back on track.......When I em Todd and told him $3,000 he em me back and stated,"Does she skin and cook rabbits too?" He is not telling us the truth when he stated later that he has no problem with the price. After his pm to me is when I stated the pup selling option.
To be honest fellas, if someone I know offered me a low-ball price for Sandi, and pups out of her in the future, I would let her go to someone that would give her a great home and run her. However, when a guy calls me an ass, threatens to kick my ass, calls me an internet tough guy and then states I am a business man, it upsets me! Maybe his dogs can beat mine, maybe not. Maybe he can kick my ass, maybe not.
Let's add "LIAR" to your other name "Internet Tough Guy"
I have all your PM's that you sent to me, and the ones I sent to you. I'll be happy to send them to anyone that wants to read them.
You even gave me the names of two guys you beat up..Aaron Pryor and Chris Speilman.
Like I said to you before, Are these your sons ? Way to go, you must be very Proud....
Todd, I too have all your personal ems saved. Here is one of your quotes, "Bottom line, I will kick your a$$."
I defeated Aaron Pryor in the National Golden Gloves Tournament in Chicago. I also beat Chris Speilman in the Tough Mans Competetion in Bay City, MI. You would not know who these two guys are because you probably just watch figure skating on ESPN.
Now you have called me a dumb ass, liar, and someone who is in beagling for a business. I guess I may have to come out of retirement, leave the hounds home, and make a trip to VT as you suggested.
Don't you just love guys that open their mouths with NOTHING to back it up????????????????????(He also told me that his two young bitches would kick my hound's asses)
I just got done communicating with a "Hall of Famer" in the beagling world. He told me he has a 9 year old FC bitch for sale. I am not going to give you his price, but his first response was, "You can have 2-3 more litters out of her." I quess he too is in beagling as a business. (ridiculous!)
Happy New Year Everyone,
Smokin Joe, The Internet Tough Guy
I defeated Aaron Pryor in the National Golden Gloves Tournament in Chicago. I also beat Chris Speilman in the Tough Mans Competetion in Bay City, MI. You would not know who these two guys are because you probably just watch figure skating on ESPN.
Now you have called me a dumb ass, liar, and someone who is in beagling for a business. I guess I may have to come out of retirement, leave the hounds home, and make a trip to VT as you suggested.
Don't you just love guys that open their mouths with NOTHING to back it up????????????????????(He also told me that his two young bitches would kick my hound's asses)
I just got done communicating with a "Hall of Famer" in the beagling world. He told me he has a 9 year old FC bitch for sale. I am not going to give you his price, but his first response was, "You can have 2-3 more litters out of her." I quess he too is in beagling as a business. (ridiculous!)
Happy New Year Everyone,
Smokin Joe, The Internet Tough Guy
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Ron Conroe
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Well now "ITG" Oh I'm sorry let me hep you out with that "Internet Tough Guy" Or I like your last one "Smoking Joe The Keyboard Cowboy"
"Smoking Joe Internet Tough Guy"
Grab your Pink Gloves, your Ice Skates, and your hounds and come on over. Do you need directions to Vermont ? Just like I told you before, put the wheels back on the house and come stay a while.
I just got done communicating with a "Hall of Famer" in the beagling world. He told me he has a 9 year old FC bitch for sale. I am not going to give you his price, but his first response was, "You can have 2-3 more litters out of her." I quess he too is in beagling as a business. (ridiculous!)
I'm sure you being the "Business Beagler" that you are, figure you can get at least 40 pups out of her. Your able to sell them for $500 a pup. That's $20,000, so If you pick her up for $5000 your in the $$$ I'm suprised you didn't jump on that deal.
Listen I'm sure everyone is having a blast reading this post, God knows I am. I'm still laughing
Joe
You have a very good Kennel, you know that I know that, I'm sure most people that follow Beagling have heard of your dogs. This is why I approached you in this post. I'm looking for a very good proven female to start my Kennel with. I didn't mean to pee you off with the "Does she skin and cook the rabbits to..." So that is my fault, and I Apologize........
I do have two young females that I will run with anyone, just like the saying goes, To be the best, You have to beat the BEST.... Keep your ears open because you'll here about them this year. Go Deep little Emmy and Go Deep little Jessie... Both 13" females
This is my last post on this Thread.....
I hope everyone has a great New Year...
Sincerely
Todd Fitzgerald
Go Deep Kennels
"Smoking Joe Internet Tough Guy"
Grab your Pink Gloves, your Ice Skates, and your hounds and come on over. Do you need directions to Vermont ? Just like I told you before, put the wheels back on the house and come stay a while.
I just got done communicating with a "Hall of Famer" in the beagling world. He told me he has a 9 year old FC bitch for sale. I am not going to give you his price, but his first response was, "You can have 2-3 more litters out of her." I quess he too is in beagling as a business. (ridiculous!)
I'm sure you being the "Business Beagler" that you are, figure you can get at least 40 pups out of her. Your able to sell them for $500 a pup. That's $20,000, so If you pick her up for $5000 your in the $$$ I'm suprised you didn't jump on that deal.
Listen I'm sure everyone is having a blast reading this post, God knows I am. I'm still laughing
Joe
You have a very good Kennel, you know that I know that, I'm sure most people that follow Beagling have heard of your dogs. This is why I approached you in this post. I'm looking for a very good proven female to start my Kennel with. I didn't mean to pee you off with the "Does she skin and cook the rabbits to..." So that is my fault, and I Apologize........
I do have two young females that I will run with anyone, just like the saying goes, To be the best, You have to beat the BEST.... Keep your ears open because you'll here about them this year. Go Deep little Emmy and Go Deep little Jessie... Both 13" females
This is my last post on this Thread.....
I hope everyone has a great New Year...Sincerely
Todd Fitzgerald
Go Deep Kennels
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First a hunter or someone who knows dogs won't sell what they feel is their best.
second trialing is what has drove the price of these hounds up just look at what your saying to justify those prices.
Third I have no prblem with trialing I'm sure some good fellowshipping goes on at trials but trials don't determine the best rabbit dog they recognize the best trial dog.
Fourth I haven't seen in this thread where either of these dogs have been guarenteed to only run rabbits with a trial period associated with the sale. What it has said is the trial records and what you hope to get back finanially on your investment.
second trialing is what has drove the price of these hounds up just look at what your saying to justify those prices.
Third I have no prblem with trialing I'm sure some good fellowshipping goes on at trials but trials don't determine the best rabbit dog they recognize the best trial dog.
Fourth I haven't seen in this thread where either of these dogs have been guarenteed to only run rabbits with a trial period associated with the sale. What it has said is the trial records and what you hope to get back finanially on your investment.
What do you think a good price for a beagle is? I think that a good trialdog/ gundog should be worth a good amount of money. This sport has been about people who love to rabbit hunt and are only willing to spend 50 dollars on a beagle. That is a bunch of crap. People pay way more than that for a house pet. So tell me why we should not get some money back on a hound that has done what this hound has? I have a FC and have been offered 3500 for him and I won't sell him, but I think that if you want a good bloodline and foundation stock for your kennel, you should spend some money. I know that papers don't make a dog but, they do give a selling point on puppies. JMO
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I sure get a kick out of these threads arguing over not only how much dogs are or aren't worth but how they got cheated in a trial. I read through these field trialing threads for some humor because someone is always getting cheated or someone is asking for a bank loan price for a dog but yet folks keep coming back for more. I kind of liken it to those who go to the casino's knowing they don't have a snowballs chance in hello to bring home the bacon but they continue to keep dropping the quarters in the one arm bandit. IMO Norwester hit the nail right smack dab on the head in both his posts. I don't know what a FC may bring but I do know what it won't bring from me. I've been hunting behind rabbit dogs and putting meat on the table for 40+ years and we put many a rabbits on the plates of several families off a $25.00 blind in one eye white beagle. I don't intend to bad mouth anyone or any dog and I wish everyone luck in selling what they have to sell, even those that have a different one on these boards to sell every day. With ALL those thinking the pricing is a steal then folks should have no trouble making room in their kennels and there should be no need for any a$$ whipping or even tongue lashing. I find it hilarious that folks revert to such over a dog.