NEW TREND

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Historically, I have always been a linebreeder. Over a year ago I was talking to a good friend from Northern Ohio about mixing a solid SPO cottontail style dog to a dog that from the pedigree should be a bit more aggressive in style. This goes back to when I posted about an anchor dog. My good friend made this cross and ended up giving me a female pup out of a relatively small litter. She started at 4 months old and when she started it was like a switch went off and she has never been the same. Currently, at 5 months old she is contributing to different packs (mature hounds) I have ran her in and is very impressive. I am now a believer in rolling the dice and doing limited outcrossing. Pike Ridge Anna May may be the best 5 month old beagle I have ever owned. She is unbelievable. Annie is very independent and runs her own rabbit even though at her young age and size she rarely sees the front. Last, I have heard of guys talkng about dogs blowing up when ran with mature large packs. Not in Anna's vocabulary. She is the boldest little bitch I have ever owned as well. [FC Thorn Gap Bad Jack sired IFC Wild Creek Licorice.]
Here is her pedigree:

-------------------------------------FC THORN GAP BAD JACK
--------------------RB'S BLACKHAWK RINGO
------------------------------------LOVELESS' HUSTLING PEGGY SUE
--------SLIPPERY CREEK RISING WATER
------------------------------------IFC WILD CREEK LICORICE
---------------------P.G.'S ROCKIN REBA
------------------------------------PINE GROVES LITTLE MAGGIE
PIKE RIDGE ANNA MAY
-------------------------------------FC TURBO POWERED BY PROP
---------------------SPENCER'S STONE COLD CLIPPER
-------------------------------------SHAW'S OAKWOOD CALLIE
--------TALKABOUT HALL'S LIZA JANE
------------------------------------FC MARK V'S ACE IN THE HOLE
---------------------TALKABOUT PRECIOUS
------------------------------------SHOULD'VE BEEN A BOY CRYSTAL

[bill (flint river )]

being bold dont have any thing to do with getting blown up. it's when u have a young hound who want the front. and try to swap paint with the big boys. u will start seeing bad habbits then they will completlyu lose there mind. i have seen done. i am very carfull with who i run with. also one hound with bad habbits can take a long period of time to get the pup broke from.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

being bold dont have any thing to do with getting blown up. it's when u have a young hound who want the front. and try to swap paint with the big boys. u will start seeing bad habbits then they will completlyu lose there mind. i have seen done. i am very carfull with who i run with. also one hound with bad habbits can take a long period of time to get the pup broke from.

Bill,
The difference is bold with independence. She runs her own rabbit and does not care about the front. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't make it a habbit to pack her up with a large pack of strange dogs. Anna has primarily been ran with her two packmates. BUT, when whe was packed up with strange dogs, (twice) she ran very good and did not me too. She even straightened out a few lines from some aggressive hounds and the last rabbit ran she started. Very impressive for a little sheeat. In the check area, she looks independently - does not trail the older hounds. I will not be running her with a lot large packs in the near future, I was just evaluating her under pressure. Last, I think dogs that blow up is due to breeding. Some dogs are bred to handle pressure more than others.
The only other outcross I am using is Branko X Blueback. This is another outcross; although more complementary, I am interested in.

PRB

[TBrabbitman]

Ed anna is going to make you a fine hound, she was real impressive for a 4 month old pup. I really enjoyed watching her run.

[eddywilliams]

I have seen the anna pup she was a very nice acting pup ,i do believe she had a recovery or 2 the day i seen her in very poor running conditions .She should be a nice one ,although i too would not run her with the pack much but that is me good luck ringo she will be fine .The fast one

[bill (flint river )]

i do not beleave it is the breeding. pressure is pressure. when a big male blows out and has it, either that pup will try to keep up or fall way behind. if i am feeding them they better get up and roll. i wont start showing a young hound a pack of more then 1 hard hitting hound till they are a year old. and even then it will be on a limited bases. and i watch very closly to see what is going on. i just let a male patch hound go that wanted the front. and he was going to get it. but with my limited run time i wasnt running him much. he was sold, to a nice man in indy that could give him what he needed. i hate the thought of selling him, he is going to be very speical, he was a awsome at 6 months.

[J.C. Blair]

HATFIELD---- YOU AIN'T GOING TO GET NO SLIP IN THE MAIL--AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD---
ON THE BREEDING SUBJECT I HAVE CHANGED SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE YEARS ---TO DIFFERENT BLOOD LINES AND SUCH --BUT (2) THINGS I HAVE BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT IN .I DON'T OUT CROSS VERY MUCH HARDLY EVER MAKE... A TOTAL OUT CROSS.--ANOTHER THING EVERY TIME I BREED I LOOK AT EACH THE SIRE AND DAM AND ASK MYSELF IF THE PUPS ARE JUST LIKE EITHER THE SIRE OR DAM WOULD I BE HAPPY WITH THEM.. IF NOT I DON'T DO THE BREEDING I HAVE BEEN WITH THE OLE KINGWOOD'S -T-REX AND DANDY RUN NORTH STAR BLOOD FOR ABOUT 11 YEARS .HARD HUNT, GOOD NOSE,AND GOOD MOUTH USELY USED RIGHT .ONE THING I HAVE NOTICED SOME OF THE GUY'S ARE BREEDING A LOT OF NORTHWAY SPUR I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOOD OR BAD DEPENDS ON THE FEMALE I GUESS BUT ONE THING I DO CONSIDER WHEN I USE OLE SPUR IS WHAT IS ON THE BOTTOM SIDE THERE IS A LOT OF HOUNDS OUT OF SPUR AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT FEMALES AND EVRY ONE KNOWS THE FEMALE CAN CHANGE THE WHOLE THING ..AFTER -11- YEARS I STILL HAVE A MALE NAMED PINE MT CHARLEY I LIKE VERY WELL SO FAR,, THAT IS STRAIGHT OUT OF T-REX AND HAS -3-CROSSES OF NORTHWAY SPUR ON THE BOTTOM AND HE IS ONLY -2-YEARS OLD .I PLAN ON BREEDING HIM A LOT HERE .....ENOUGH RAMBLING -----JIMBO GOOD LUCK AT THE TRIALS ..WILD BILL MASON GOOD LUCK -JUST PLAIN GOOD LUCK--HATFIELD COME DOWN AND VISIT AGAIN .I GOT TO GO EDD TALKED ME INTO GOING TO A TRAIL TOMMORROW-------------
KEEP'EM RUNNING
PINE MT BEAGLES

RUFUS are you in charge of the paper work now. Do you have an email address I can send the pedigrees to. I sure hope the bitch can get approved. I have several stud dogs I want to go watch run and research. Those studs may not be an approved stud and I might have to get you to make sure the Pete lines up just right before WE let them breed. TIME(pun) is of the essence to me. She sould be in in April and I would like to get started planning now. Ya know gotta get my PROGRAM together.

Will, Humpty sang DO WHATCHA LIKE . I need your professional help here.

Thanks, RHSSE

Ole Spur and Ole Driver and Ole Ninja and Ole Jumpmaster and Ole Sampson and Ole Buzz flow through this dogs veins Almost 48% Spur, 19% Mt Zion Pete, come on up, I'll make a believer out of ya. Spur to the 10th power Thanks Lynn, for the strong spur cross, his ma is a good one and his granma, will go down in the books at PR&G and ERK as her blood flows freely



I guess Im out as well, Im using ol mack truck rear end for my program as well. We dont even want to mention what hes out of, could cause massive heart failure.

Hatfield, Humpty also said you look like MC Hammer on crack Bumpy

[BrewerMo]

Breed what ya want.........'' Runnin Dogs Ain't No Fun'' might as well have a little fun with a cross, maybe supprise a few people..

[J.C. Blair]

Breed what ya want.........'' Runnin Dogs Ain't No Fun'' might as well have a little fun with a cross, maybe supprise a few people..

If you are having fun, then you are going against any and all rules within your program Brewster, by the way have you got my room ready out there?

[bill (flint river )]

here's another thought, u cant judge a blood line of one hound. i like to talk to a few people, but 60% of them wont come out and be honest. or just dont have a clue what a good hound is. so find people u can trust and breed for your self. i am sure reggie is a nice hound, i wont breed to him because of the size of the females he is throwing. so that one more thing i look for beside running style, size is big for me. it could go on and on. if every one would be honest to them self and take care of there culls and not pass them on to others we would all be better off.

[Mapel Valley Kennels LLC.]

Thats another reason i stay so close to spur is size, very few are small .
And most push the page, I personally will run 15 till i decide to quit.
They all hunt just like t-rex stock, chester just throws the blowout ck power for me. I have also blown many a young dogs mind before there time. Come to indy this weekend and watch Mapel Valley Remeber Retta.
Take your pocket knife out before you come cuz she will sure enuff hand them guts to you. That bitch knows nothing but front and will get there
by any means nessasary.Little pack old school.Speaking for myself if it
all ends tommorow, I for one will stay on track for hunt and desire.
Spur to me has one of the least amounts of swing to it , most drive a line and can get semi ruff if littermates choose to. Over all it works well in my
world.

[windsplitters]

works well for me to. I have a female with 9 crosses of spur in 5 generations. Some say that is to tight but I like it.

[yellowdog]

man i wish i could have some hounds to run with you boys...but i guess one of these days i'll make a boo boo and cross something that works out of the ol bobtail assassin...ya never know... ...if not i like what i run and i got to feed it thats all that matters to me...i am tryin to breed some trex into my orgram right now...details to come

[S.R.Patch]

How old, "little pack old school" are you talk'in?
I had a taste of it back in 89' and these were rabbit hounds first, field trial hounds second. They knew where the check was and didn't swing to the top of the hill to find it. I like a hound with guts but if every hound in the cast does "what ever it takes" to get the front, that can leave alot of gaps in the line and a lot of holes for the rabbit to turn in. A good one will get the front while running the line, not "what ever it takes".
I sold a Dottie bitch to Mr. Conley half dozen years ago. When I heard he put her up for sale, I ask him why. He said, I bred her to my Ch Larsen male and if these pups have her hunt and checkwork w/ my hounds speed, I'll have it all. I thought, how odd if he gets it and winds up selling 1/2 the mix that gave it to him... ... I bought her back and resold her to a fellow that wanted the patches breeding, only because she was a fickle eatter and I can't stand that in the winter time.

Bev and I have talked about hounds blowing up. It is a combination of breeding AND handling. We see in litters, all types of personalities and temperaments, these all lead to tendencies of how a hound will develop and finish, depending upon how each is handled. This is the same as a hound that has a somewhat shy or nervious nature is more apt to become gunshy if not handled carefully.
We've all heard of the old field trialers saying, put the pup back up in the pen and let him mature some more, for the nut is about to crack. This meant, the youngster was not physically or mentally able to handle the pace or pressure of the pack and was showing signs of cheating or coming unglued mentally.
There are some good ones who can take alot of abuse, but none who are totally immune to harm if timing and pressure are not tended too.
It's why good prospects are just that, good prospects. We all love to brag our young prospects, but when they've had a number of gun seasons, been ran in all kind of conditions, mixed with all kinds of faulty running mates and are at last found to be true, honest and good in their work, then can we brag of a rabbit dawg... ...jmho

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Bev and I have talked about hounds blowing up. It is a combination of breeding AND handling. We see in litters, all types of personalities and temperaments, these all lead to tendencies of how a hound will develop and finish, depending upon how each is handled.

I would agree with that. I also think most pressure comes from impatient handlers not from the other dogs. Give the young dogs time and keep loving them even when they don't run as good as you'd like in front of your buddies. Just like we support our kids when they fail we need to support our hounds when they come up a little short.