Current stud dog ranking

[danny vansickle]

so,from what i am reading,a pretty dog can run better than a ug;y dog,right

[Moore Beagles]

The Length of the Ears has to be an old brace hound Myth, because the Dogs I'm talking about all run a rabbit like they are sight chasing, with thier ears pulled back by the draft, so that Myth don't hold any weight, but then again when AllBull talks his argument doesn't hold any weight
Besides ask him if those Puggles have long ears. Not being rude or anything
Crooked legs ; Check
one eye: Check
Croped Ears: Check
OK Lets run, and if I don't win I'll bad mouth everybody elses dogs that beat mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dmbarnes]

[quote="BeaglerJay"]Durbin Valley Hit Man Hart! This is the most consistant stud dog I have seen. He produces true RABBIT DOGS!

I'll second that I have 2 dogs in my kennel from Hitman that are excellent rabbit dogs Hard hunt, good foot, honest mouths.
You guys in the Midwest area really ought to consider him as one of your choices.

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

Durbin Valley Hit Man Hart! This is the most consistant stud dog I have seen. He produces true RABBIT DOGS!

I'll second that I have 2 dogs in my kennel from Hitman that are excellent rabbit dogs Hard hunt, good foot, honest mouths.
You guys in the Midwest area really ought to consider him as one of your choices.

Just curious, what is his breeding?

[gus]

No bull there once was a scientist who was curious about a bullfrogs hearing ability. He placed a bull frog on a table. He clapped his hands and the bull frog jumped off the table. He amputated one of the frogs legs and repeated the experiment. He clapped and again the frog jumped off the table. He then amputated the other leg and repeated the experiment. This time he clapped and the frog just sat there.
AHA, said the scientist, with out legs a frog can not hear.

Maybe the same scientist did experiments on beagles noses in relation to the length of their ears?

[NoBull]

Hey No bull I have to TOTALLY DISAGREE with what you said. My point is this, a well bred dog with COMFORMATION is built to run all day and has an easier time doing it. I have judged hounds for years both in the field and on the bench and I know I have seen some sorry ass looking dogs that can hammer a rabbit BUT I also am smart enuff to know that good comformation makes it easier for a hound to run all day and pass those genes and that ability on to his offspring. bowed legs cause joint fatigue, short ears don't allow for great scenting under certain conditions, bad feet make for hip problems and so on and so on. I never owned the best dogs in the world but I was striving to improve the breed ...from my little corner of the world. and they ARE the best that i have. I could care less of their registry i wanted dogs that could JUMP and RUN and drive a rabbit to the gun...in am manner to overtake the game.

OK now the only reason I commented on the short ears thing was this guy if you look in my ealier post you will see where I don't judge a dog at all by looks truth be told there is a very valid chance I have some of the ugliest beagles in Ohio I absolutly don't think good looks makes a good dog I think it is all in there hearts a dog that won't give up is what I like to me they are all pretty when they are running the front with control. I did not claim that what I read was true I am simply just commenting on what I have read so before everyone else decides to twist what I am saying read everything. Also to clerify Moore Beagles I put in More Puggles because you wrote YesBull I don't care if your dogs are AKC or UKC or what they look like if they are what makes you happy then thats all that matters your dogs are yours and mine are mine and they are what makes us happy and thats all that counts as we are the ones who have to feed them.

[Bev]

Because there's a bit of controversy about him here, I can tell you Reggie is the real deal and the whole package. He's a fine hound. Yes, most of his offspring would be a bit young to pass any judgement yet, but this is true of all hounds who accomplish early. Sometimes you have to go with your gut, and not forget that half the burden to produce good pups is on your female. There's no reason not to be hopeful of a Reggie breeding based on not only his performance, but the performance of his ancestors. If you wait until a hound's grandchildren are trialing to decide, you may have to breed to THEM instead of the hound himself.

This goes for all good dogs mentioned here - not just Reggie, I'm just sayin'...I remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth when Shaker and Turbo died within 2 months of each other - still somewhat young...and people were "waiting" to see how their prodigy did before deciding to breed to them. When they died, then there was a big scramble to breed to the first generation of pups out of them. Same with Jack Of All Trades. To this day, people strive to see how close up and how many times they can get Jack in their dogs' pedigrees. You'll never know what they can produce until you take your best female to them, then give the pups good opportunity.

There are so many good dogs out there right now - the one's I've been able to see as of late have been mostly Large Pack hounds, or those of the same bloodlines being campaigned on fox. That's just where my interest lies these days, but Viagra, Verswhacker, Ignitor, Riley's Rolling Trials, Reggie, Dan Kane's Zig dog, (fox trialed, but hare bred) Joe Gamache's dogs, Sabattus Mountain dogs... daggone - all about the same age right now - very accomplished but still young. I'd breed to any of them without fear. I've been out of ARHA LP for quite some time, but I KNOW from history, and the current events, that these dogs are of the exact same caliber, and many out of the same bloodlines as AKC LP & Midwest SPO - they are simply being campaigned in an arena that is more accessible to their owners. Same with many hounds in UKC. McVay's, and Bub Milam, and many more beaglers in UKC are having success with their breedings, and those dogs, too, are of equal quality. Nobody exclusively holds the market on this deal.

Watch them run and see what you like. If you can't watch them run, then follow their trial records...and if they are able to get it done under different judges in different areas, you really can't ask for more than that. No sense splitting hairs when all of these dogs are proven in the field.

Okay, I'll shut up now. Best of running to everyone!

[dmbarnes]

Durbin Valley Hit Man Hart! This is the most consistant stud dog I have seen. He produces true RABBIT DOGS!

I'll second that I have 2 dogs in my kennel from Hitman that are excellent rabbit dogs Hard hunt, good foot, honest mouths.
You guys in the Midwest area really ought to consider him as one of your choices.

Just curious, what is his breeding?

Hitman's sire FC Northtown Frosty, His Dam Mud River Lotta Ann

[Don McVay]

This is Dave McVay. i heard of this post and couldnt believe that ANY 3 YEAR OLD HOUND was being compared to much older hounds!! I have campained Threat for most of his hunts. I wasnt going to post a comment due to respect for the hounds that have been mentioned. There are several great reproducers that have been mentioned and their records speak for themselves. Threats oldest litter has just turned 1 and I know all three are doing exceptional. Is he a reproducer? TIME WILL TELL. I thank those that like what they have seen from him at an early age. I feel at his age he is on track to be the best weve ever owned.
FAST EDDY This is the problem with the internet and posting. Like what so often happens people dont have the facts. Threat and Manny have only ran 1 time together to the best of my knowledge and that was at this years UKC Nationals. No offense but Shennago Star kicked our butts, their was nothing Mannys handler could have done different to win. She beat us fair and square. As far as not hunting, Threat was NEVER put on the clock at the nationals. Dont know about you but I was very proud of my 3 year old hound going against 2 dogs that are 8 years old, 1 a World & National Champion the other a 2 time National Champion and let me tell ya he held his own. Did he get beat YES but everyone out on that cast said they liked him. Cant win them all.LOL!!!
NO BULL Not sure who you are to have been on several of his casts? As far as the World hunt zone ask the cast members what they thought of him. I have never owned a hound that couldnt be beat nor will I ever. As far as Threat Trial record I will stand behind him 100%. I will take being the 07 Michigan State Champ, 3rd at the UKC Nationals, 6th at the 07 NBC Triple Challenge, 6th at the 07 PP Nationals, 07 WV Hunters Rights Grand Champion and currently the 07 Black Gold Challenge series Allage Male Leader any year. As far as an allday hound we did run him in July of 06 at Sandy Creek on Large Pack on Hare, there were I believe 43 entered he was picked up after 6hrs along with 5 others in the top 15. Sorry but I dont have the time to run a dog 8 hrs per day to condition like those guys said they do. Mr. Art Beemer liked him alot that day and would have liked to have kept him to trial LPH.

Sorry but if you dont like him than dont breed to him. He is at Sundown Beagles for Sundown Beagles, if someone else wants to use him as stud thats fine. Do we think he is a great reproducer now. NO WAY. NOR WOULD ANY HOUND BE AT 3 years of age. Please dont take anything I have posted to be negative toward the others mentioned Im sure they think as much of their hounds as I do of Threat. We are not kennel blind and yes I have bred to Awful Bawlin Viagra, White River Tuff E Nuff, Windkist Walk in The Park and owned a hound out of Brankos One Tuff Ombre all people and hounds I have alot of respect for. Will Threat be on this list only time will tell. Dave McVay

[Moore Beagles]

Dave once again you have showed your class and respect for other Beaglers, and thier opinions. I will feel blessed and 100% satisfied if our Threat pup runs half as good as her daddy has shown and displayed to me and my brother when we have seen him run.
I appreciate you and Don for your friendship, and knowledge, and giving us the chance to own a little piece of the some of the finest beagles I have ever seen.

[Hilltop Kennels]

All I can say is go watch the dog run that you want to breed too. I have been all over the country looking at dogs run and have seen almost everything out there that interested me, there are a few others that do interest me but have not got their yet, but I will!! I have spent more time and money watching dogs run than I ever have spent on dogs. Money well spent!! You will save yourself alot of headaches in the future by spending a weekend or so watching what you are bringing into your kennel. Good luck finding what you need.

Thanks

Adam

[eddywilliams]

mcvay i had the nationals wrong and was thinking of the hound at the nhba days ,as far as him gettinghis butt kicked its not what the judges told me ,no offense meant

[Pike Ridge Beagles]

All I can say is go watch the dog run that you want to breed too. I have been all over the country looking at dogs run and have seen almost everything out there that interested me, there are a few others that do interest me but have not got their yet, but I will!! I have spent more time and money watching dogs run than I ever have spent on dogs. Money well spent!! You will save yourself alot of headaches in the future by spending a weekend or so watching what you are bringing into your kennel. Good luck finding what you need.

Thanks

Adam

Darn good advice! It can be an eye opening experience for sure.

[Don McVay]

Fast Eddy still not sure what your talking about with NHBA days because it came down to Threat and Scott Fluharts dog as to the overall NHBA winner? Back then Threat was a Champion, Both hounds had won thier catagory 1 day and had a cast win the 2nd day. It came down to total score and Scotts hound won by vote of NHBA in allowing his first round total score. As for the Nationals I WAS THERE AND I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, Star beat us fair and square without ANY question. THIS IS NOT TO BE A KNOCK ON MANNY HE IS A GREAT HOUND BUT WE BOTH GOT BEAT THAT DAY. Except it. Scott Fluhart and Clint Shaw would have to agree.
We are getting off the subject and I agree with the last to post, dont judge based on what you read on here go find out for yourself. As you can see hear say can get ya in trouble. Dave

[Guest]

Question for Adam, Hilltop kennels. How would you rate Wookie up there for a stud dog, or have you not seen enough of his offspring running to make that call, or Striker if you have seen more of what he has produced. I have a litter on the ground right now out of Wookie and my female that I am real happy with, they will be a year old 10-16-07, but that is only one litter. I talked with Donnie Yant, before breeding to him and he had nothing but good things to say about Wookie himself. He was breeding some of his top females to him at the time. I have talked with Johnl about his Doc dog, he had nothing but positive to say, and I see Colby Hill Peggy, that Joe Corullo was running, doing an outstanding job in AKC,winning Northern Michigan Hare Association outstanding 15" female for 2006. I realize this is a small number of accomplishments, but it should still say something for old Wookie. Brian.