word

[Jack]

I agree about a man"s Word. But a lot of folks don't and its a sorry deal and a hell of lot more sorry if it was a friend.

[AMANDA & RUSTY LYONS]

YEAH IT WAS A BAD DEAL AND I REALLY THOUGHT ALOT OF THE MAN, BUT I GUESS I WAS WRONG.

[danny vansickle]

YEAH IT WAS A BAD DEAL AND I REALLY THOUGHT ALOT OF THE MAN, BUT I GUESS I WAS WRONG.

I KNOW OF A DOG DEAL SOMETHIN LIKE THIS,I CONTACTED THE OWNERS AND TRIED TO BUY A DOG FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS,BUT THE OWNERS TOLD ME IT WOULD TAKE 5,000 BUCKS TO BUY THE DOG,AND THE DOG WAS NOT WORTH THAT MUCH TO ME,I OFFERED THE OWNERS 2500,THEY MORE OR LESS LAUGHED AT ME,I TOLD THEM THAT IF THEY WOULD COME DOWN ON THE PRICE,I WOULD BUY HIM AND TAKE GOOD CARE OF HIM,THEN THE VERY NEXT DAY,THEY SOLD THE SAME DOG TO ANOTHER MAN FOR HALF WHAT THEY TOLD ME

THE NEW OWNER SAID NO ONE AGREED TO SELL THE DOG BACK OR ANYTHING,HE SAID NOTHING LIKE THAT WAS EVER MENTIONED,BUT I WAS NOT THERE FOR THAT CONVERSATION,BUT THE NEW OWNER CLEARLY SAID THAT IF THE DOG COULD WIN IN AKC,IT WOULD HAVE A HOME,WELL,THE DOG COULD NOT WIN IN AKC,HE COULD NOT STAY DOWN FOR ONE ROUND,SO THE DOG WAS SOLD TO A LP HUNTER,WHO HAS RECENTLY TRIED TO CONTACT THE ORIGINAL OWNERS TO TRY AND SELL THE DOG BACK TO THEM.

SO,IF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS WANT TO BUY THE DOG,THEY NEED TO CONTACT THE MAN THAT OWNS HIM NOW,AND HE WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY SELL HIM TO THEM WITH THE QUICKNESS,AND FOR LESS THAN 5,000

THIS IS NO ATTEMPT TO ARGUE WITH ANYONE,I JUST WANTED TO TELL A LIL STORY THAT THIS POST REMINDED ME OF,AND TO MAYBE LET THE OWNERS KNOW,THAT IF THEY WANT THEIR DOG BACK,THEY KNOW WHO HAS HIM,AND HIS CONTACT INFO CAN BE PM'D TO THEM IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT.

BUT I ASSURE YOU,THE MAN IN MY STORY THAT ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THE DOG IS A MAN OF HIS WORD,AND A TRUE HOUNDSMAN,AND AN AMBASSEDOR TO THE SPORT.
HE WAS TOLD BY THE PEOPLE HE BOUGHT THE DOG FROM,JUST LIKE I WAS TOLD,THAT THEY WANTED TO SELL THE DOG CAUSE THEY WHERE GETTING OUT OF DOGS,THEY TOLD ME,JUST LIKE THEY TOLD THE GUY WHO BOUGHT THE DOG THAT THEY WANTED A GOOD HOME FOR THE DOG,BUT HE HAD NOT BEEN RAN UP,AND WAS NOT GETTING RAN,AND THEY WANTED WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE DOG.

SO,IF THE ORIGINAL OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE THE DOG BACK,SHOOT ME A PM,AND I WILL SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO HOOK THEM UP WITH THE CURRENT OWNER AND HELP THEM GET THE DOG BACK,AND IT WILL BE FOR A LOT LESS THEN THEY PRICED ME THE DOG

AND TO CLEAR UP THE REASON THE DOG WAS SOLD,HE WAS SOLD CAUSE HE WAS TOO ROUGH TO RUN AKC,NOT TO MAKE 1K,THE MAN DOES NOT NEED THE MONEYTRUST ME,IT WAS NOT ABOUT MONEY IN KNOW WAY,AND THERE WAS A MIDDLE MAN IN THE DOG DEAL,THE MAN WHO SOLD THE DOG ACCTUALLY JUST BROKE EVEN,HE SOLD HIM JUST TO GET HIS MONEY BACK,CAUSE HE WAS NOT HAPPY WITH HIM,THE DOG IS AN AWESOME DOG,JUST NOT AKC MATERIAL.HE IS A LP STYLE HOUND.

IF YOU SOLD THE DOG TO THE GUY,I AM SURE YOU HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER,WHY NOT CONTACT HIM INSTEAD OF AIRING OUT BAD LAUNDRY ON THE FORRUM,THAT IS CAUSING TROUBLE THAT IS NOT NEEDED,YOU KNOW,DID YOU KNOW THAT I GOT PUT IN TIME OUT FOR THE SAME THING?

[AMANDA & RUSTY LYONS]

I DID NOT AIR OUT BAD LAUNDRY I NEVER MENTIONED ANY NAMES I WAS JUST VOICING MY OPIONION ON THE MATTER OF SOMEONE GOING BACK ON THEIR WORD, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO NAME NAMES THEN I WILL. IT DOSEN'T MATTER WHAT HE DISCUSSED WITH YOU, YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR AGREEMENT SO I DON'T KNOW WHY HE WOULD HAVE TOLD YOU ABOUT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I DID CONTACT THE NEW OWNER AND HE DID NOT WANT TO SELL THE DOG, BUT TOLD ME THAT IF HE DID WE COULD BUY HIM BACK. SO BEFORE YOU GO AND POINT FINGERS RE READ THE POST I DID NOT MENTION NAMES YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT THAT OUT!!!!!!!!!!

[danny vansickle]

I SHOULD HAVE STAYED OUT OF IT,BUT YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO,THESE PEOPLE ON HERE ARE NOT STUPID,YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOME CREDIT,I DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE IT OUT,YOU OWNED A BIG TIME HOUND,ONE POST TALKED ABOUT THE GUY MAKIN 1K,YOU SOLD ONE DOG THAT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT KIND OF MONEY,AND EVERYONE KNEW ABOUT IT WITHIN A FEW DAYS.

I HAVE SOLD THE SAME GUY A FEW DOGS TOO,HE HAS ALWAYS OFFERED THEM BACK IF HE WENT TO SELL THEM,I WASNT THERE SO I CAN ONLY GO ON WHAT I WAS TOLD.I DONT WANNA ARGUE WITH YA,I HAVE ALWAYS GOT ALONG WITH BOTH OF YOU FOR THE MOST PART,I DONT VEN KNOW WICH ONE IS POSTIN,BUT I HAVE A GOOD IDEA.IT DON'T MATTER,LIKE I SAID I SHOULD HAVE STAYED OUT OF IT,BUT THIS GUY HAS ALWAYS BEEN GOOD TO ME AND EVERYONE ELSE HE COMES IN CONTACT WITH,THE MAN WOULD TAKE THE SHIRT OFF HIS BACK TO HELP OUT A STRANGER,THAT IS WHY I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVIN HEDONE YOU OR ANYONE WRONG,IF ANYTHING,I WOULD BET IT WAS A MISSUNDERSTANDING,BUT I DO KNOW THIS,JUST LAST WEEK,THE GUY THAT OWNS THE DOG SAID HE WAS THINKING SERIOUS ABOUT CALLIN YOU AND SELLIN YOU THE DOG BACK,AND THAT IS THE HONEST TO GODS TRUTH,SO,IF YA REALLY WANT HIM BACK,CALL THE GUY,I BET YOU HE SELLS HIM TO YA

AND FOR THE RECORD,THE DOG IS BEING WELL TAKIN CARE OF,FED PRO PLAN AND HAS HIS OWN BRAND NEW SENECA KENNEL,HE JUST TOOK HIM TO THE VET TODAY JUST FOR A CHECKUP,WHICH THE MAN TAKES ALL HIS DOGS EVERY TWO MONTHS OR SO,HE IS BEING RAN EVERY DAY AND TRIALED EVERY WEEKEND,IF ANYTHING,THE DOG IS SPOILED TO DEATH,BUT I AM SURE HE WILL SELL HIM BACK TO YA,CHEAPER THAN YOU PRICED HIM TO ME TOO.

I ILKE BOTH OF YOU,ALWAYS HAVE,AND I REALLY DONT WANT ANY HARD FEELINGS,I WISH I WOULD HAVE STAYED OUT OF IT,BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT,IF THE GUY SAID HE WOULD GIVE YOU FIRST CHANCE TO BUY HIM BACK,HE WOULD HAVE,WEATHER YOU WAS WILLING TO PAY THE PRICE,NOW THAT IS A DIFFERENT STORY,MAYBE THERE WAS A MISSUNDERSTANDING,CALL HIM AND TALK TO HIM,AND YOU SHOULD CALL THE GUY WHO HAS THE DOG NOW,YOU MAY BE SUPRISED,YOU CAN PROLLY BUY HIM BACK,TAKE CARE.

[clousewt]

I sold the dog in the first place, like most of you have said, shouldnt have sold it. I guess I need to move on and forget it.

[AMANDA & RUSTY LYONS]

DANNY THERE IS NO HARD FEELINGSBETWEEN US AND YOU AND IT IS I AMANDA THAT IS POSTING ALL OF THIS. I SENT THE GUY THAT BOUGHT THE DOG A PM ASKING A DIFFERENT QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE AND DECIDED TO ASK ABOUT THE DOG THAT IS WHEN HE SAID HE HAD SOLD THE DOG AND WHEN I ASKED WHY I WASN'T OFFERED THE DOG BACK HE SAID HE THOUGHT WE WAS GETTING OUT OF DOGS, BUT WE DID HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT IF HE DECIDED TO GET RID OF THE DOG WE HAD FIRST OPTION ON HIM YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT OR NOT. HE DID MAKE A $1000.00 OFF OF HIM BELIEVE THAT OR NOT I HEARD IT STRAIGHT FROM THE GUY WHO BOUGHT HIM. I JUST TALKED TO THE GUY THAT HAS HIM THE MIDDLE OF LAST WEEK AND HE SAID HE DID NOT WANT TO SELL HIM, BUT I WILL CALL HIM AGAIN AND ASK AND I WILL GO FROM THERE.

[danny vansickle]

EDITED BY ME,I WAS WRONG TO POST HOW MUCH A DOG WAS SOLD FOR AND WHO MADE WHAT,THAT IS THEIR PERSONAL BUSINESS,BUT YET,I ASSURE YOU THIS,IF THE DOG AS SOLD FOR MORE THAN THE MAN PAID,HE IS NOT THE ONE WHO PROFITTED,THERE WAS A MIDDLE MAN IN THE DEAL,AND NO,IT WAS NOT ME.

I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT IF THE MAN SOLD THE DOG WITHOUT OFFERING THE ORIGINAL OWNER THE DOG BACK,THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MISSUNDERSTANDING,BUT I WAS TOLD THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT,AND I AM JUST STANDING UP FOR THE GUY,HE WOULD NEVER DO ANYONE WRONG ON PURPOSE,LIKE I SAID,THERE MUST HAVE BEEN SOME MISSUNDERSTANDING IN THE MATTER.I DONT THINK THIS MATTER NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC ANYMORE AND IF YOU ALKL WANT TO DISCUSS IT,CALL THEMAN THAT ORIGINALLY BOUGHT IT.

I KNOW ONE THING,IF I BOUGHT A PUP FOR 135 BUCKS,RAN IT FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS,HAD A BLAST,WON SOME BIG HUNTS,AND THEN DECIDED TO GET UT OF DOGS LIKE EVERYONE THOUGHT HAD HAPPENED,THEN SOLD THE DOG FOR 2500,I WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT IT TOO MUCH,BUT I DO UNDERSTAND,THE DOG WAS MOEW THAN JUST A DOG TO YOU,BUT HONESTLY,THE MAN COULD NOT HAVE PUT HIM IN BETTER HANDS THAN WHERE HE IS NOW,OTHER THAN MAYBE THE ORIGINAL OWNER,BUT,WOULD YOU HAVE PAID WHAT THE NEW OWNER PAID?

[AMANDA & RUSTY LYONS]

MONEY WAS NEVER AN ISSUE THE MAN SAID IF HE EVER GOT RID OF THE DOG WE WOULD HAVE FIRST OPTION TO BUY, HE NEVER CALLED AND HE NEVER PRICED THE DOG. I KEPT IN CONTACT WITH HIM SO THAT WAS NO EXCUSE. HE NEVER MENTIONED THAT HE WANTED TO SELL THE DOG, HE SAID THE DOG WAS DOING GREAT AND RUSTY EVEN ASKED HIM IF HE WANTED TO SELL THE DOG BACK AND HE SAID NO THAT HE WAS HAPPY WITH HIM. I DO REGRET SELLING HIM BUT WHEN I SOLD HIM TO THIS GUY HE GAVE ME HIS WORD AND I TRUSTED HIM, BUT I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE GUY WHO BOUGHT HIM AND OFFERED HIM HIS MONEY BACK ANS ASKED HIM WHAT HE WOULD TAKE FOR HIM AND HE SAID HIM AND HIS BROTHER WAS IN PARTNERS ON THE DOG AND THAT THE DOG WAS NOT FOR SELL AT THIS TIME, BUT IF ANYTHING CHANGED AND HE DECIDED TO SELL THE DOG HE WOULD LET ME KNOW. AND HE DID SAY THE DOG WAS VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF SINCE HE GOT HIM HE EVEN SAID HE WOULD SEND ME PICTURES OF HIM AND HIS KENNEL SO I KNOW HE IS TAKEN CARE OF THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE HE SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE GUY I HAVE TALKED TO HIM FOR HOURS ON THE PHONE, HE SAID HE TOOK THE DOG OUT THE OTHER DAY AND HE JUMPED SIX RABBITS. IT IS NOT AN ISSUE ABOUT HIM BEING TAKEN CARE OF IT IS A MATTER OF SOMEONE I TRUSTED THAT DID NOT KEEP HIS WORD.

[awful bawlin]

Lots of that words mean nada lotta anymore. I have been quite a dummy when it comes to giving dogs away and trusting peoples word. I have however had those that are good and can be trusted I guess it falls in my own dooryard as I never thought paper re the deals were required. My most recent deal sticks hard in my craw and is developing in a manner that will end quite a few friendships but hey here she goes. Man calls and wants a specific dog. I say I have what he wants but the dog is not for sale. I say I will give you the dog but if he turns out I would appreciate half the stud fees. tee hee I now am reminded by how many breedings the dog has had and the mail box is empty. The gentleman offers me to breed to his dog and wonders why I dont ahhhhhh I then ask him if he remembers the deal and he restates what it was just dont translate into dough. The festering is over and the road to my house will be closed to this gentleman until there is a reconciliation. I dont expect this to happen and as I gave him his last two champs I hope he can now breed his own. Many more have been good to their word so i will deal with those a fella can trust and try to avoid the rotten apples The barrel tho is full of good ones L&S monk

[Jack]

Trueful folks get their asses burn a lot , because they don't lie and think others tell the truth too.

[BJK]

Monkman,

As a whole, you can't trust Americans. Who was it that said they speak with forked tongues. GET THAT MONEY FIRST! Don't send nothing down the road until you get that money FIRST!!! It's sad but a lot of Americans respect, worship and praise the almighty dollar. I expect to bashed by this post. But it will only come from the people I'm writing about. They will show themselves or hide in the corners like scared rats.

Monk, I hope and pray that everything works out for you. Get that money first!

[Ronnyg]

Monkman,

As a whole, you can't trust Americans. Who was it that said they speak with forked tongues. GET THAT MONEY FIRST! Don't send nothing down the road until you get that money FIRST!!! It's sad but a lot of Americans respect, worship and praise the almighty dollar. I expect to bashed by this post. But it will only come from the people I'm writing about. They will show themselves or hide in the corners like scared rats.

Monk, I hope and pray that everything works out for you. Get that money first!

Not bashing but don't appreciate the fact that you say AMERICANS can't be trusted. Crooks and thieves can't be trusted and they come in ALL nationalities and races not just AMERICANS. jmo

[Tim H]

BJK, you come out and bash Americans and then say

"I expect to bashed by this post. But it will only come from the people I'm writing about."

The people you are writing about are Americans, that would include a whole country of people that you just bashed.

Then you give 2 premises that, when put together, would include everyone.

They will show themselves or hide in the corners like scared rats.

Nothing like covering all your bases when your bashing everyone and trying to argue that if they disagree with you then that means your first statement must be true. Very flawed logic but at least you are not discriminating.

I'm not sure if I agree with you but if I do then I'm right and if I don't then your wrong, either way you can't disagree with my logic

[mike crabtree]

BJK,

That is the biggest load of Bull I have ever heard, and by the way I am not a Crook.


I guess you dont thinkOJdidit eitherdo you?