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How about a name. If you gonna slam someone or argu, be a man and put a name on it, PLEASE. 
"No stronger bond exist than that between a man and his dog."
Link to RabbitDawg board. (Old Southernbeagles board)
http://www.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=6643
Link to RabbitDawg board. (Old Southernbeagles board)
http://www.excoboard.com/exco/index.php?boardid=6643
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laal1
Joe I like the way you stick to your guns no matter how many folks disagree with you. Its just that I keep waiting for you to give a little on something. I find it hard to believe anybody that is ALWAYS right, I know I have learned to watch the adjectives I use, and I feel better about myself since we have had this talk, thanks for putting me on the right track.
Guest if you don’t like the folks you are telling how to act, go somewhere else.
Guest if you don’t like the folks you are telling how to act, go somewhere else.
laal: I also frequent a baseball site and I never argue with those guys; beleive it or not; because I don't know enough about baseball as they do. Even here you don't see me on every post but just select ones that I know a great deal about. No one could possibly know all there is to know about beagling but there are certain things I think I have a good handle on. Those things I am prepared to discuss at great lengths and I have a pretty good amount of experiance as well as time devoted to study of past beaglers to draw from. Mostly hunting beagles but some trial things too like the standard for judgeing. But I do strongly beleive that no one could know all there is to know about beagleing so you could vary well teach me a great deal and have done so although unknowingly. A friend used to say "no one can possibly learn all there is to know about hounds in just a single life time. The least we can do is pass along what little we do know". Just so you know I enjoy these discussions even when others disagree with me because at the vary least I am forced to think a great deal about the subjects and I have learned quite a bit from all of them even from those who have disagreed with me. Actually if everyone agreed with me I'd never get anything out of these discussions. Imagine if we all came on here and agreed about everything. How boreing it would be and what little we would learn from each other. What good is a discussion is we are in total agreement from the start?
Bob: Do you really think I would take your abuse for nothing? 
Of course these boards give us all insight into what is going on in different parts of the country and with different types of trials that are not in my area. Then I have learned a great deal about how folks are useing the shock collars. The first I ever herd of any one useing them for manners training was on these boards and then I got pretty good descriptions on how to use them for that purpose here on these boards. Then I got a good deal about what some call cold nosed hounds here. Hounds who cold trail the game until up and running. Of course I had encountered such hounds before and had run with them but I got quite an insight into the thinking of their owners here that I didn't have before. Then we all herd about the toe pinch I think it was called and I had never herd of that before. As I recall it came from the bird dogs. Then I quite a bit about those who are breeding for the duel purpose hounds Hunting/show. That was a trend I was glad to see. I was surprized to see so many usseing the show hounds to better the conformation of their running hounds. I didn't know there was so many doing it. I learned about the triple challenge here on these boards and that is an event I hope to attend some time. I learned a lot about beagle lingo here. Your own lingo is different then mine. The list goes on and on. There are many points of view that are different then my own. I also know from these boards that different familys of hounds react slightly differently to differnet things. I've learned that some of the things my own hounds do are peculiar to many other hounds. Now don't get all fired up I'm not saying my hounds are better; it's just that I was surprized to NOT hear similar reactions from the hounds being described by others with their hounds. On the other hand I've seen described here trouble folks were haveing with their hounds which were some of the same problems I've had with my own. Escape artists and males fighting at feeding time especially when there is a female in season come to mind quickly. There was one guy who had individual tye outs for all of his hounds at feeding time and that solved his problem pretty well. Now I don't recall each beaglers name that I had learned a specific thing from but I think it's safe to say that I have learned a bit from each even if in the end we disagreed.
Of course these boards give us all insight into what is going on in different parts of the country and with different types of trials that are not in my area. Then I have learned a great deal about how folks are useing the shock collars. The first I ever herd of any one useing them for manners training was on these boards and then I got pretty good descriptions on how to use them for that purpose here on these boards. Then I got a good deal about what some call cold nosed hounds here. Hounds who cold trail the game until up and running. Of course I had encountered such hounds before and had run with them but I got quite an insight into the thinking of their owners here that I didn't have before. Then we all herd about the toe pinch I think it was called and I had never herd of that before. As I recall it came from the bird dogs. Then I quite a bit about those who are breeding for the duel purpose hounds Hunting/show. That was a trend I was glad to see. I was surprized to see so many usseing the show hounds to better the conformation of their running hounds. I didn't know there was so many doing it. I learned about the triple challenge here on these boards and that is an event I hope to attend some time. I learned a lot about beagle lingo here. Your own lingo is different then mine. The list goes on and on. There are many points of view that are different then my own. I also know from these boards that different familys of hounds react slightly differently to differnet things. I've learned that some of the things my own hounds do are peculiar to many other hounds. Now don't get all fired up I'm not saying my hounds are better; it's just that I was surprized to NOT hear similar reactions from the hounds being described by others with their hounds. On the other hand I've seen described here trouble folks were haveing with their hounds which were some of the same problems I've had with my own. Escape artists and males fighting at feeding time especially when there is a female in season come to mind quickly. There was one guy who had individual tye outs for all of his hounds at feeding time and that solved his problem pretty well. Now I don't recall each beaglers name that I had learned a specific thing from but I think it's safe to say that I have learned a bit from each even if in the end we disagreed.
Okay, I'm finally gonna way in on this.
On page 2 the 1st post, DOG TX hit the nail on the head.
They way I see it, I don't think any of the formats can always bring back the best hound or pack. They are hunting dogs combined with them we are a hunting pack.
So here's what you do. Everyone meets at the club and goes out to their hunting spots. Everyone has to be back at the club by a certain time. (You can go out single or in groups, whatever you want the format to be for that day) Whoever brings back the most rabbitts wins!
So whether your dog or dogs are out there swinging, cutting, stealing the front, winding the line, holding the line between there legs, never over shooting a turn, blowing holes in the ground, running too much rabbit, or standing on their heads spinning around like tops, you have a chance to win. Because no matter what they are doing, when your standing there gun in hand trying your best to be perfectly still, eyes almost bulging out of your head looking for the slightest sign of movement in the brush, doing whatever takes to block all other noises out except the dog and trying to detect the sound of Mr. Bunny coming to you. And when you hear the dog turn toward you and getting closer and closer the heart starts beating a little faster and breaths get a little quicker and when it presents itself you do your best to make the shot so all the dogs hard work won't be in vain and so you don't let them down. And when the dog has a loss, you can hear them in there snorting, sniffing, crashing through brush, doing whatever it takes to get that rabbit back up. All for sole purpose of putting it in front of you so you can have a chance at a shot. So they don't let you down.
When everyone joines back up at the club house and somebody puts the most rabbits on to cook, right there are your winners ladies and gentlemen!
You wrap up a good day with one heck of a meal and good friends. Nobody can get cheated or out-styled or out handled or picked up or any of that crap!
On page 2 the 1st post, DOG TX hit the nail on the head.
They way I see it, I don't think any of the formats can always bring back the best hound or pack. They are hunting dogs combined with them we are a hunting pack.
So here's what you do. Everyone meets at the club and goes out to their hunting spots. Everyone has to be back at the club by a certain time. (You can go out single or in groups, whatever you want the format to be for that day) Whoever brings back the most rabbitts wins!
So whether your dog or dogs are out there swinging, cutting, stealing the front, winding the line, holding the line between there legs, never over shooting a turn, blowing holes in the ground, running too much rabbit, or standing on their heads spinning around like tops, you have a chance to win. Because no matter what they are doing, when your standing there gun in hand trying your best to be perfectly still, eyes almost bulging out of your head looking for the slightest sign of movement in the brush, doing whatever takes to block all other noises out except the dog and trying to detect the sound of Mr. Bunny coming to you. And when you hear the dog turn toward you and getting closer and closer the heart starts beating a little faster and breaths get a little quicker and when it presents itself you do your best to make the shot so all the dogs hard work won't be in vain and so you don't let them down. And when the dog has a loss, you can hear them in there snorting, sniffing, crashing through brush, doing whatever it takes to get that rabbit back up. All for sole purpose of putting it in front of you so you can have a chance at a shot. So they don't let you down.
When everyone joines back up at the club house and somebody puts the most rabbits on to cook, right there are your winners ladies and gentlemen!
You wrap up a good day with one heck of a meal and good friends. Nobody can get cheated or out-styled or out handled or picked up or any of that crap!
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Just for the record, Mr. West it was the toe twitch, If you don't know what a twitch is ask Mr. Huffman being a horse man as he claims he is i am sure he will tell you all about it.
I may be wrong but it seems to me that niether one of you two can stand the fact that someone else knows any thing about dogs or anything else.
Joe if you want to use The Were Deer treatment do it and you can tell everone you came up with this great idea. truth is it has been used by pro. trainers for longer than you are old.Picking a dog off his feet that is. Not the WERE DEER that is all yours Joe.
Mr. Huffman You Seem to know what you are talken about at times, But what i can't understand is why you would let someone get under your skin. [ The Proof is in the pudden not in the recipe]
Wingpatch
I may be wrong but it seems to me that niether one of you two can stand the fact that someone else knows any thing about dogs or anything else.
Joe if you want to use The Were Deer treatment do it and you can tell everone you came up with this great idea. truth is it has been used by pro. trainers for longer than you are old.Picking a dog off his feet that is. Not the WERE DEER that is all yours Joe.
Mr. Huffman You Seem to know what you are talken about at times, But what i can't understand is why you would let someone get under your skin. [ The Proof is in the pudden not in the recipe]
Wingpatch
Wingpatch: Just for the record it's "ware deer" which was taken from the formal packs "ware wing" and is not my idea either. I got the ware deer idea from Tom Dornin and where he got it I don't know.
When I post here if I take too long when I try to post I get an invalid session notification and I can't post. For that reason I split my post of some of the things I learned on the boards into two posts. The first you see and the second came up invalid session and I couldn't post it and didn't feel like retyping it. Perhaps I should have and then maybe you wouldn't have been so upset by my faulty memory of toe pinch instead of toe twitch. Why would that get your hackles up? I used it as an example of something I learned on the boards and not in any dirogatory way.
When I post here if I take too long when I try to post I get an invalid session notification and I can't post. For that reason I split my post of some of the things I learned on the boards into two posts. The first you see and the second came up invalid session and I couldn't post it and didn't feel like retyping it. Perhaps I should have and then maybe you wouldn't have been so upset by my faulty memory of toe pinch instead of toe twitch. Why would that get your hackles up? I used it as an example of something I learned on the boards and not in any dirogatory way.
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OOOOOOOPS Sorry, WARE DEER 
To be very truth full, I would have to say it probley works very well for you. But as i am getten a little older & a whole lot slower it would not work as you intended for me unless it was a set up deal and that would defeat the perpose.
I personly believe in feeding pups all the rabbit tracks they can stand under a parcelley controled invirment. Then set them up on deer, And if they need a little help i use what ever treatment i think best suits the dog to break them
......wingpatch
To be very truth full, I would have to say it probley works very well for you. But as i am getten a little older & a whole lot slower it would not work as you intended for me unless it was a set up deal and that would defeat the perpose.
I personly believe in feeding pups all the rabbit tracks they can stand under a parcelley controled invirment. Then set them up on deer, And if they need a little help i use what ever treatment i think best suits the dog to break them
......wingpatch