Dog Fighting

ohlinger.s · Post by **ohlinger.s** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:04 am

J Rooster wrote: The thing is it just shows how stupid people realy are buy even paying money for a pup that might chew your face off or kill your children one day. .

I had one as a pup my friend raised them had two little kids those dogs would never have let anything happen to those kids you're entitled to you're OPINION. tho it is not a fact. Mine was hit by a car when i was in iraq and i have a lab now that replaced him i do plan on owning another one day. My lab is sometimes agressive toward my beagles and entirely too rough when he plays. my beagles jumped all over buster (my a.p.b.t) and he was never rough with them never raised a hair on his back or showed any dominance over them that is more than i can say for my lab. My lab barks at strangers, and buster was hit running across the street to greet my neighbors who were outside.

TC · Post by TC » Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:30 am

Kill every pitbull and other aggressive breeds and that solves the problem. These breeds are worthless to everyone

I Am Sure some of them feel the same about a Beagle!!!!
i have been around a lot of APBTs seen some aggressive and some not!
just like all breeds it depends a lot on thier socialization.
i was at 2 different shows in UKC sponsered by the northwest APBT club.
over 200 pits in the same building along with stafodrshire terriers and many many other breeds i seen more aggression from the rotweilers than any other dog there. the worst were the Small toy breeds!!!
more people are bitten by them than any other dog should we just kill all them to??? the Poms the russel terriers shipperkees(sp)..
the most well behaved dogs that day were the pitts hands down no barking no lunging for others ect.
i just think the pitts have got a BAD rap over the years because of the fighting ect...

Larry G · Post by **Larry G** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:40 am

Pit bulls have already been banned in some places. They are bred to fight to the death and when they get started they are not easy to stop. I have owned them and know what I am talking about. Most are not aggressive towards humans, but if one attacks it is not just a little nip they will maul or kill whatever it is, a dog, a child, an adult. I have personally tried to stop a 95 pound APBT that was given to me because of fear of it from killing a small Setter male that had been playing with it. I hit it with a shovel and kicked it which did no good. I managed to jam a piece of rebar thru its mouth and break the hold by prying its mouth open. Setter was in shock and had to be euthanized, it was crushed. If you have never seen a big male fight don't come on here trying to defend the breed, because like most on this monkey with a typewriter board you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

JAMES ROLLINS · Post by **JAMES ROLLINS** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:24 am

Bulldogs are not the problem,they just get a bad wrap. If every dog bite or maul by other breeds where in the news this wouldnt even be a issue. What makes everone think these dogs fight to the death? And they have no choise? I know for a fact that these dogs are well taken care of for the most part, there are always bad apples in eveything.
Let me tell you how these dog fights go, first pups are picked by gameness, this is bred into them.
When they go to a pit they do not fight to the death, when the losing dog turns away they break the dogs up. they give them 3 min. to catch there breath. They line the loser across and turn him lose if he wont cross,they turn the winning dog if he crosses he is declared the winner. They both live to fight another day. One that loses today may be the winner tomorrow.
To me, each his own, I do not attend dog fights nor would I, I just know people that have in the past. There dogs are well taken care of I have seen them after a fight, and to tell everone the truth I have seen bear and hog dogs come back in far worse shape.
I have always had a bulldog, and trust them with my kids life. For anyone that says im a idiot you can shove it!

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:27 am

I have been around Amstaffs (pitbulls) for many years as I have a good friend who breeds them. They are very sweet and good natured and love people. However they are strong and if they become aggressive to another dog that is where the trouble starts. I owned my own grooming shop for 17 years. In that time I was bitten by cocker spaniels, cockapoo's, schnauzers,mutts,poodles, shitzu,lhasa apso etc.. Never once was I bitten by a well mannered amstaff or pit. I would have to say cocker spaniels are probably the worst bitters along with mixed poodle breeds there are but, of course nothing is ever reported when a cocker bites someone because its little and doesn't normally do much damage. I was bitten as a youngster by a GSD, My sister by a mutt and my daughter by our neighbors cattle dog mix.. all 3 of us in the face. Yet we've had many a amstaff here that has never even acted aggressive.

Its stupid owners and idiots who don't have a clue about the breed that have ruined it. Perhaps a permit to own these dogs would be best.. take a training class on dogs and how to handle them before owning one of these strong beautiful animals.

MHO,

Leah

beagle crazy · Post by **beagle crazy** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:43 am

Windkist wrote:

Its stupid owners and idiots who don't have a clue about the breed that have ruined it. Perhaps a permit to own these dogs would be best.. take a training class on dogs and how to handle them before owning one of these strong beautiful animals.

Good idea.

green river · Post by **green river** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:39 pm

beagle crazy wrote:
Windkist wrote:

Its stupid owners and idiots who don't have a clue about the breed that have ruined it. Perhaps a permit to own these dogs would be best.. take a training class on dogs and how to handle them before owning one of these strong beautiful animals.

Good idea.

First of all, let me tell Windkist that I really enjoy reading your post because you seem to know so much about dogs. But this one time I have to disagree. I know there are alot of idiot dog owners out there and most people on this board probably don't fit into that category. If some owners have to start taking classes to obtain permits to own these certain type of dogs, how long will it be before the gov. steps in and requires every dog owner to take these classes. How long will it be before we all have to pay taxes on dogs we have in our kennel? There are already several cities that have a restrictions on how many dogs you can own or have in your kennel. I'm sure these laws are intended for the irresponsible dog owners, but how long until it gets to us. I'm not trying to start an argument, but that is my opinion.

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:21 pm

green river wrote:
beagle crazy wrote:
Windkist wrote:

Its stupid owners and idiots who don't have a clue about the breed that have ruined it. Perhaps a permit to own these dogs would be best.. take a training class on dogs and how to handle them before owning one of these strong beautiful animals.

Good idea.

First of all, let me tell Windkist that I really enjoy reading your post because you seem to know so much about dogs. But this one time I have to disagree. I know there are alot of idiot dog owners out there and most people on this board probably don't fit into that category. If some owners have to start taking classes to obtain permits to own these certain type of dogs, how long will it be before the gov. steps in and requires every dog owner to take these classes. How long will it be before we all have to pay taxes on dogs we have in our kennel? There are already several cities that have a restrictions on how many dogs you can own or have in your kennel. I'm sure these laws are intended for the irresponsible dog owners, but how long until it gets to us. I'm not trying to start an argument, but that is my opinion.

Greenriver,

Thanks! ;-) I happen to agree with you actually. I don't want to be forced to take a class to own my dog however, at this juncture in time pitbulls are being banned left and right. In Denver Co, alone they have gone door to door taking peoples beloved pets and killing them for no other reason than they are pitbulls or look like pits. The AR nuts have gone from fanatics to all out psychos! The will stop at nuthing to take away our rights. We must have a permit to carry a gun, we must have a permit for this and that. Next thing ya know when a beagle kills a bunny he'll be arrested for cute fluffy bunnicide! LOL So, maybe having some way to show you are smart enough and aware enough to own a pit is the way to go? Maybe not! I sure don't want us loosing any more freedoms with our animals.

check this out! http://www.pbrc.net/poppysplace/games/f ... tbull.html

respectfully,

Leah

paz · Post by **paz** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:24 pm

One thing that disturbs me about this is that there have been NFL players that were present when PEOPLE were murdered and never missed a game. Mike Vick killed dogs and they want to ban him for life and send him to jail.

The key precedent that this case will have is the distinction of animals as individuals with rights rather than as personal property. I would like everyone who reads this board to think about the ramifications of this.

I fully understand a debate regarding the morality of this and torturing animals in the manner that has been described is abhorrent. The fact that this is in federal court is completely ridiculous. I’d like to think that there are some real criminals that federal prosecutors could go after.

jonnyringo · Post by **jonnyringo** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:48 pm

paz wrote:

I fully understand a debate regarding the morality of this and torturing animals in the manner that has been described is abhorrent. The fact that this is in federal court is completely ridiculous. I’d like to think that there are some real criminals that federal prosecutors could go after.

How true! Good point.

And is this so news worthy that this stupid act by Vick is all we will hear about for the next year over and over again by our wonderful biased and liberal media.

wvduece · Post by **wvduece** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:51 pm

i think its utterly disgusting to put this much interest on a darn dog fight i dont condone it but ya would think with all the illeagles n murrders n terroist and drug smuggling going on they would have something better to do n spend ouir tax dollars on plum stupidity just let them come to southern wv n they can stay busy doing something worth while better stop before i get to riled up

jb

NorWester · Post by **NorWester** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:15 pm

I wonder if any of the dog fighting forums dedicate this much space to something they don't know anything about too........like rabbit hunting with beagles

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:14 am

Guys, some of you have missed the point.

Pitts aren't anywhere near the most aggressive dog in the world. Dang 5lb Yorkies are about the meanest little pee ants I have ever seen.

HOWEVER, when a pitt attacks it can and will KILL you. That is the difference.

Larry G · Post by **Larry G** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:11 am

AlabamaSwamper wrote:Guys, some of you have missed the point.

Pitts aren't anywhere near the most aggressive dog in the world. Dang 5lb Yorkies are about the meanest little pee ants I have ever seen.

HOWEVER, when a pitt attacks it can and will KILL you. That is the difference.

And he will wag his tail as he does it, too. That's what he was designed for and that is what he loves. People can deny all they want and the deniers are usually those who have never seen what one of those monsters can do.

Know why Pits aren't used as bite dogs? Good bite dogs will "out" on command (release the victim). Pits don't understand letting go of something until it stops struggling which is why they use break sticks at dogfights.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:17 pm

I've seen a few good pitbulls, they were catch dogs for hog hunters. Very loyal to the owner and friendly enough to a stranger but, they were selectivly bred for this. Hogs are a mass of distruction in some areas, the catch dogs are a vital part of the game at controling the problem. It is great sport for those involved and tho I'm a bit squeamish of all the snakes of the areas, I'd take the chance at getting in on this game a time or two.
I have a friend that has a few rotties, most will lick you to death but he has one male you'd better not make eye contact with(according to him, he will never be sold or bred to).
Selection for breeding is the key and makes all the difference in the world on dogs and hounds, as we know this with our beagles.
I have another friend who raises rodeo bulls, he don't let the kids do the feeding, you have to respect the animal for what it is.
Dog fighting is all about courage, people wanting to see the display and craft of fighting dogs with courage.
Bull fighting, running with the bulls, is also another thing, only it is the man showing his craft and bravery against the animal.
Many say these are outdated sports left over from uncivilized times but consider this, we still go to battle on the field in times of war. I, for one, would rather have a group of Ky squirrel and rabbit hunters in my squad, rather than a group of PETA supporters to back me up when the bullets start flying...jmho

When you've been around enough people, you'll notice how much of themselves is reflected in the way they live and the animals they keep... so now you see why the city folk have such a hard time figuring us out and us them... the one thing I am always reminded of is a statement Randall made when trying to figuring out where fate had lead him and this was, "the one thing I could never be, was what God never intended"...