Dog Fighting

EagleBeagler · Post by **EagleBeagler** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:58 am

dog fighting or cock fighting is just plain wrong and there is nothing you can say to make it right you can try to justify it with your explanations but its still wrong

THALL · Post by **THALL** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:30 am

Amimals are not people period. I know i'm a backward dumba$$ from Arkansas, so you don't need to tell me. If you starve a dog of food or water your cruel. I'll never Agree that people who fight animals are cruel.

Next time you shock your dog off a deer, whip him for not going hunting, pull the trigger on a poor little rabbit, leave your poor hunting dog in a DOG house when it's cold out, ..ect, Just think about it, because on day it'll be a crime.

Animal right idiots, your with'em or against them. I see where some stand.
You all see where i stand. I against them. I think their more communist than Hitler. I'll shut up before i get in trouble.

B.Trull · Post by **B.Trull** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 5:49 am

THALL wrote:Amimals are not people period. I know i'm a backward dumba$$ from Arkansas, so you don't need to tell me. If you starve a dog of food or water your cruel. I'll never Agree that people who fight animals are cruel.

Next time you shock your dog off a deer, whip him for not going hunting, pull the trigger on a poor little rabbit, leave your poor hunting dog in a DOG house when it's cold out, ..ect, Just think about it, because on day it'll be a crime.

Animal right idiots, your with'em or against them. I see where some stand.
You all see where i stand. I against them. I think their more communist than Hitler. I'll shut up before i get in trouble.

No, its the ol' divide and conquer tactic . How bout all you cruel people who put hooks in poor little fishes mouths for sport ???

Loved going with my wife and her uncle to the cock fights in the philippines. I did pretty well there, only honkey in a small arena of 500 or so, pinoys . The loser gets skinned and slapped on a stick with some terrakyi sauce.

Remember Thall communism is an economic system , not a political system. It never really ever truly existed, nor does it exist now in china. Those countries simply have more of a command economy than what do western captialist nations; that however is changing more and more also.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:47 am

Dog fighting is not my thing. But will stand up and be counted for Cock fighting. Game Cocks get the best of care and are a wonder when they are on point. I used to fight them and had to quit because you can not fight with those that have drug money.

Larry G · Post by **Larry G** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:49 am

Rights of animals is a hard thing to define and quantify.

1. Do snakes, rats, and cockroaches have the same rights as dogs and cats? If not, where do you draw the line, based on usefulness to man? Remember some people keep snakes and rats as pets.

2. It is impractical to eliminate all cruelty to animals. They would have to all be released to live free as they choose or the owners could be accused of some sort of cruelty. Nature would then administer the cruelty. AR activists are out of touch with reality. Their goal is to free all animals and give them the same rights as people.

Unless you eat no meat and use no animal products you support cruelty to animals unless you don't consider being slaughtered in the prime of life as being cruel.

IMO the fighting of animals for the purpose of gambling has no redeeming value. Humans prize fighting has little except that it may keep some participants from a life of crime and punishment.

marr24 · Post by **marr24** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:40 am

I must say I'm disappointed how some have replied to this post. There is no defense that can be made in my opinion that can defend dog fighting in any way. I've done enough research on it to know what truly goes on, the so-called professionals are no less cruel. It cannot be compared to hounds hunting game. Do we kill our hounds at 5 yrs old if they lose a step? I highly doubt it. There is NO such thing as a retired fighting dog, they rarely make it to the age of 4, usually they are killed by their owner, not the other dog. Are our dogs kept on a 3 ft chain in the dark inches from other dogs so they can snarl, but not quite reach them to rip them apart? I surely hope not. Fighting hounds are kept at "fighting" weight, in other words they are kept in a constant state of starvation. They are not fed for a week before a fight so they will be more "hungry" to attack the other dog.
It's true that professional dog fighters don't want dogs to be killed in dogfights, they want them to last as long as possible-many last for hours-this seems even more cruel. If a dog doesn't preform, there are no second chances it is killed on the spot.
Dog fighting is a sick pasttime based on MONEY!
I really can't see how any of this can be defended by houndsman.

Also, in my opinion dog fighting and cock fighting cannot really be compared. We eat chickens on a day to day basis, they are livestock. Unless you're living in Asia I doubt you've eaten a dog lately.

Larry G · Post by **Larry G** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:04 am

When the run in the heat boys wrote about culling the ones that couldn't take it, what do you suppose they meant by that?

1. Give to a good home.
2. Advertise for sale on trading post as a fine hound
3. Shoot the dog.

I can tell you that in the bird dog field trial world #1 and #2 are seldom used.

Jr Walker · Post by **Jr Walker** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 9:31 am

I can't say I personally hold Chicken and dogs on the same level. My passion is dogs in life. But-- even though they were bred for that, it still doesn't make it right. I've never known a pitbull ever to turn on it's owner. Another person in the neighborhood, yes, a stranger, yes. I've heard a few stories about Rottreilers turning, but they are probably as likely as your hounds turning on you.

I know they turn on people all the time my brother owned 19 pit bulls once...which of one that has bit a child's knee cap off...why my brother owned it idk but he sold it and the boy that bought it was to scared to feed it cause everytime u got in sight of it the thing would start growling and showing its teeth...any dog that bites the hand that feeeds him would be called turning dont ya think?

and alot of yall look as pit bulls wouldnt fight if they wasnt in a pit...all a true bred pit bull needs is to see another dog and it could be 100yards or 200yards away 90% of the time that pit bull is going there...and yea sure u can tame the pit bull down and take the fight out of him but remember when they get to play fighting and he remembers this is what im post to do and playing turns into a death fight...pit bulls was bred for a catch dog so if u had a chicken running loose back in the day u could tell that dog to go get that chicken and he would run it down and hold it till u got there to take it

THALL · Post by **THALL** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:46 am

[quote="marr24"]I must say I'm disappointed how some have replied to this post. There is no defense that can be made in my opinion that can defend dog fighting in any way. I've done enough research on it to know what truly goes on, the so-called professionals are no less cruel. It cannot be compared to hounds hunting game. Do we kill our hounds at 5 yrs old if they lose a step? I highly doubt it. There is NO such thing as a retired fighting dog, they rarely make it to the age of 4, usually they are killed by their owner, not the other dog. Are our dogs kept on a 3 ft chain in the dark inches from other dogs so they can snarl, but not quite reach them to rip them apart? I surely hope not. Fighting hounds are kept at "fighting" weight, in other words they are kept in a constant state of starvation. They are not fed for a week before a fight so they will be more "hungry" to attack the other dog.
It's true that professional dog fighters don't want dogs to be killed in dogfights, they want them to last as long as possible-many last for hours-this seems even more cruel. If a dog doesn't preform, there are no second chances it is killed on the spot.
Dog fighting is a sick pasttime based on MONEY!
I really can't see how any of this can be defended by houndsman.

Also, in my opinion dog fighting and cock fighting cannot really be compared. We eat chickens on a day to day basis, they are livestock. Unless you're living in Asia I doubt you've eaten a dog lately.[/quo

What i'm saying is were next on the animal rights idiot's list. If you support their actions against dog and chicken fighting you slowly cutting your own throat. There are many people that feel the same way towards hunting.

I Do NOT support dog fighting, but i'm not going to say it's wrong when i like to hunt,fish and run dogs. Believe it or not were next.

marr24 · Post by **marr24** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:04 pm

What i'm saying is were next on the animal rights idiot's list. If you support their actions against dog and chicken fighting you slowly cutting your own throat. There are many people that feel the same way towards hunting.

Yes, I realize we are on the AR lists. And I fight for the rights of hunters and dog owners in every way I can. I do not equate this with dog fighting. Dog fighting is already ILLEGAL.

DAVIDC · Post by **DAVIDC** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:16 pm

To all of you who think chicken fighting is cruel go check out Tyson somtime. These chickens never have a chance and are pumped full of steriods and killed for the market. I bet you eat chicken though. Answer me one thing if chicken fighting did'nt exsist, or the goverment wanted to confiscate GAME ROOSTERS what do you think they would do with them? Theres nothing you can do to a game chicken to make it fight. Its been bred in them. I've witnessed two brothers grow up together on a farm without any human influence besides food. One day out of the blue when they matured they decided to fight till one was dead. Nobody made them thats just what their bred to do. If your against chicken fighting than that means you want the species of Game Chickens extinct. I personally think every animal is here for a reason.

rabbithunter14 · Post by **rabbithunter14** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:26 pm

Dog fighting is wrong, Michael Vick should never be able to play in the NFL again for what he done.

THALL · Post by **THALL** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:25 pm

rabbithunter14 wrote:Dog fighting is wrong, Michael Vick should never be able to play in the NFL again for what he done.

Rabbit hunting with beagles is wrong, rabbithunter14 should never be able to go out and make a living for his family again.

Believe it were next on their list.

Danny King · Post by **Danny King** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:30 pm

you can take a fighting chicken who has never seen been in or been trained to fight and will have the drive to get to another chicken to kill it. come on atleast you can eat a chicken when its dead who wants to eat a dog. Like i said a fighting cock was born with the instinct to fight. dogs werent.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:20 pm

Danny King wrote:you can take a fighting chicken who has never seen been in or been trained to fight and will have the drive to get to another chicken to kill it. come on atleast you can eat a chicken when its dead who wants to eat a dog. Like i said a fighting cock was born with the instinct to fight. dogs werent.

Actually Pits are bred and born with the fighting instinct.