Dog Fighting

Jr Walker · Post by **Jr Walker** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:31 pm

this is my veiw...depends on feelings of things...say u grew up hard life worked hard and someone said lets go work...u wouldnt care because u are use to it Same way with ur hunting dogs if u love pet and treat them like the best thing in the world most likely that dog will be more after comming into u wanting to get petted and loved on than doing his job and running a rabbit coon ect. Same way with fighting dogs...u dont want to love and kiss on ur fighting dogs all their life then trow them down in the pit to get up by a trained fighting dog that has been put into a keep and trained for this type of thing...most fighters not saying all but...a keep is put into a dark box fed gun powder and live chickens...same way with game chickens u put them in a keep box where they can not see another roster for how ever long they need to be in there and fed protein to prepare them for the fight....my point is everything has a place and the parent of the child depends do i want my child to sit in the house all day long playing a video game or whatever or do u want them out learning how to do things or to be able to live on their own and stay alive after im dead and gone.....Same way with fighting dogs chickens...the owner makes their life for them and teachs them everything they know weather right or wrong

dogwood's PNV · Post by **dogwood's PNV** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 3:41 pm

The dog fighting crowd needs to be disposed of as ruthlesly as they dispose of thier dogs

JUDE · Post by **JUDE** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:18 pm

BJK wrote:I'm not saying I'm for it nor am I saying I'm against it. But just for the sake of debating, arguing and dialogue, what's the difference between dog fighting and professional boxing or this new extreme fighting, or a martial arts competition. The participants get judged and a winner is decided on how well you beat your opponent right?

What about the violence that we humans impose on each other.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

No one shoots Chuck Lidell ? when he taps out

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Buddy

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 4:49 pm

I think there is good and bad in all competition. We only see one side of it. I dont and wouldnt be into fighting dogs, but I do know a few that have years ago. They say what weve been seeing on TV and in the papers is the bad side of it, the amateurs. Was told that in the day it was dignified and yes dogs did get hurt but not fatal, people had too much tied up into there dogs to allow them to get killed. The pit bulls are bred for it and love it. Like I said I wouldnt get into that or condone it. It has gone on for hundreds of years. One thing I hate about these incidents is that Public Enemy number 1 to us hunters gets alot of funds from people that this strikes a cord with that they will use against us houndsfolks.

B.Trull · Post by **B.Trull** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:10 pm

MasonsBeagles wrote:NO COMMENT>>>>

He he he -- to bad I am not a little closer, obviously great minds think alike

One reason I tone down my language on this board about the" c" word. We dont need any attention from outsiders

Greg H · Post by **Greg H** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 5:10 pm

No one shoots Chuck Lidell ? when he taps out ...

I ain't ever seen Chuck Liddell tap out!!!

warddog · Post by **warddog** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:30 pm

I've seen a big ole boar coon tear up some pretty good coon hounds and the worst I ever saw was a groundhog that tore up one of my hounds. My uncle used to bear hunt with dogs and I've seen many a bear dog on their last breath after jumping a bayed bear. I'm not saying I condone the fighting of any animals but truth is we ALL do it in one form or another when we pursue game with dogs. If we're living in a glass house best not be throwing stones.

Beagled1 · Post by **Beagled1** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:40 pm

BJK wrote:I'm not saying I'm for it nor am I saying I'm against it. But just for the sake of debating, arguing and dialogue, what's the difference between dog fighting and professional boxing or this new extreme fighting, or a martial arts competition. The participants get judged and a winner is decided on how well you beat your opponent right?

What about the violence that we humans impose on each other.

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

There is no comparison between professional boxing and dog fighting. Human boxers don't go into the ring with the intent to kill each other - yes, its a bloody, violent sport but each contestant is aware of the risks and have trained their bodies and mind to prepare themselves to go into the ring. Bottom line is they are both equally prepared and conscious of the risks.

I am from an area where dogfighting is prevalent. Both professional fighting & just the jerks on the corner who want to spar their dogs.

Even dogs that are worth several thousand dollars are treated like a piece of living $***, even if they win. The jaw of a pit bull is a much worse thing to contend with than a boxing glove - both can kill, yes, but again, the human is fully aware of the stupidity the are undertaking, fully aware of the risks. Fighting dogs are frequently ripped open and are never vetted. Their wounds fester, and occasionally, infection kills them, even if they won the fight. If they loose the fight, they are killed slowly and usually tortured beforehand, because the owner lost money on the fight & this is how he takes it out on the dog.

I don't see boxers who loose being hung from a tree, drowned, stabbed, or beaten to death. I don't see boxers who win being half starved, given just enough rations to keep them alive. Boxers don't steal other people's pet dogs and cats so they can tear them to shreds to train themselves ...

Again, I don't condone boxing, its a horrible sport, IMHO, but its a living for the men who love the sport and would not change it for a thing. Dogfighting gloifies death & violence. The dogs have no choice. They're bred, raised and live by this violence. There's nothing in it for them but death, either sooner or later. Those who fight dogs for sport are SADISTS, pure and simple. No comparison whatsoever. Not even close.

THALL · Post by **THALL** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:48 pm

Cockfighting is my passion. i love it. Prominent men such as ex-US presidents have been very involved in chicken fighting. I quit because of recent laws have made it illegal. Animal fighting may be wrong, but i think wrong to say what u can and can't do in private. I think dog fighting is bad, but so do people that don't understand chicken fighting.

One thing i know for a fact: Animal rights idiots will come after us as hunters sooner or later. So if your with the animal right idiots at all, your one of them.

Dog fighting is a fellony, chicken fighting is in most places. Next these idiots go after: rodeos, circuses, hunters, fisherman,field trialers,... ect
Next time you critisize some for something you think is cruel, stop and think about some of the things you like that involves a animal.

Jr Walker · Post by **Jr Walker** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:19 pm

i agree with THALL...think down the line and whose next?...each to their own...not say any of the post was wrong on here but just like example u have never been running dogs in ur life and u hear about shocking collars and if a dog runs off game we eat them up with a shock collar but due to the fact u have never been running dogs or seen what happens when the dog gets on deer yote ect. and the risk that dog is taking...running miles across highways into peoples yards or in a farmer's field and the farmer thinks that dog is running his livestock and shoots it then u might be like...well i guess its better to teach the dog wrong from right than to let it take all the risk when u can just break the dog from it and be done and less worries

I can truely care less what everyone else is doing all over the world long as its not hurting me im not bothering them... im not feeding all the dogs people fight over the U.S. so way i see it let them do what they want...but in my veiw and only my veiw...the Gov. wouldnt have it out lawed if they could tax the money bet on fighting animals...long as they get a peice of the pie they will keep their mouth shut

Keystone Kid · Post by **Keystone Kid** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:21 pm

Speaking of “Dog Fighting”. There’s a lot of “beagle bloodlines” that are bad about fighting amongst each other. I personally have stayed far away from that crap. A lot of Beaglers don’t care about the “fighting issue”; they just care about winning trials, or having a good rabbit dog. How they act in the kennel is of little concern to them.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:37 pm

shoot my hounds at feeding time have put on better shows than what I saw on TV the other day.

Tim H · Post by **Tim H** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:49 pm

Thall, I don't think your reasoning is logical.

So if your with the animal right idiots at all, your one of them.

That means that the animal rights activist get to define you. Whatever they are for, you must be against. So, if they are against murder, you therefore must be for it or you are one of them.

Animal fighting may be wrong, but i think wrong to say what u can and can't do in private.

So by that logic if I shoot someone in the head, in private, then no one should tell me what to do, thus it is just fine with you.

...stop and think about some of the things you like that involves a animal.

Dog Fighting is a Felony in most of this country, I don't commit any felonies that involve animals (or otherwise).

Dog Fighting is barbaric, illegal and sick. I would think any true houndsman would be appalled by it.

FetchingPixels · Post by **FetchingPixels** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:59 pm

Danny King wrote:Im agaisnt dog fighting but cock fighting im for. i wouldnt mind seeing them pass so we could see a few chickens go at it.

Danny King

What's the difference between cock fighting and dog fighting? They are both animals. The only difference I can see is ones is a mammal and the other one is not.

Rabbithoundjb wrote:The answer to that is simple. The boxer. fighter etc. decides for him or herself. The dog doesn't have a choice. That doesn't sound very sporting to me and the way these dogs are treated, well it would be nice to see how their owners would respond to the same type treatment. JMO!

It doesn't sound like good sportsmanship to me either. It doesn't seem natural.

Plowboy wrote:I don't see how it is any different than fighting chickens, is one animal more worthy of a fight than another. I personally would not fight dogs but I am not going to jump on someone else if that is the thing they love to do. A lot of these same people that march against it are the same ones that would take your beagle away from you if it came in beat up & bloody from a good hunt. I know a few ole boys that have some dogs bred for fighting & they get the best care in the world. Great balanced food rations, plenty of excersise & work outs, with good living quarters too. Now it is like everything else, a few bad apples will beat & abuse but I have seen people with hunting dogs do the same.
I enjoy chicken fighting about as well as anything there is, so I can't condemn someone that dog fights. I will however condemn anyone that does not take care of the animals they have, be it dogs, chickens or even livestock such as hogs or cattle. There is no excuse for that, if they can't feed & care for an animal right then they don't need one. I am a live & let live type person that does not like to get into other peoples lives. I figure long as they leave me & mine alone I don't have any business telling them what to do !

Just my thoughts,
Plowboy

Even though those dogs get care, I wouldn't call them "Good Apples". The dogs fight and seriously injure each other, or kill each other. What kind of life is that? Why should that be acceptable? What about all those people getting pits banned in certain areas, and people having to get rid of their pets? I'd be willing to bet that most pits that go to shelters get put down.

Jr Walker wrote:im not for dog fighting...but chicken fighting i dont see anything wrong with because...game chickens was bred to fight and the only thing they know...same way with showing horses...they say u should never mess with a horse nor put it in a stable or fenced in area...pit bulls can be pets but in my veiw should never be trusted cause they can turn in a min. notice...so yes dog fighting should be banned...chicken fighting and showing horses...i say gov. just needs to keep their 2 sense out of it

I can't say I personally hold Chicken and dogs on the same level. My passion is dogs in life. But-- even though they were bred for that, it still doesn't make it right. I've never known a pitbull ever to turn on it's owner. Another person in the neighborhood, yes, a stranger, yes. I've heard a few stories about Rottreilers turning, but they are probably as likely as your hounds turning on you.

--- Hey I like a fight as much as the next guy. But I like to see people fight. I don't get any enjoyment out of seeing animals fight. They didn't choose it. We did. Infact after highschool I went to pro wrestling school and spent 5 years in the indy prowrestling circuit. It was fun. I love a good fight. I like Boxing, Martial Arts, Wrestling, UFC. Theres all kinds of fighting humans do-- enough to keep me entertained...

beagler111 · Post by **beagler111** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:30 pm

I don't see how you can compare boxing, or extreme fighting to dog fighting. The human boxers, fighters have a choice. The boxers make their own decision that they want to compete, no one shoots them if they tap out or give up.