anybody ever had a dog do this

John Lear · Post by **John Lear** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:11 pm

It's all vitamin and nutrients related. I had a friend that his female did this for two litters straight and I told him the baseball size of raw hamburger a day trick and she raised every one of her next litter. Just be sure to start a few days before she is due to whelp but I don't think it takes a pack a day.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:36 pm

Beagled1 wrote:quote]

"an abomination of nature", because Nature doesn't see things your way?

Bitches know when pups are not right, they cull to save the rest.
Alot of times it's things we do to upset the bitch, that causes them to be eatten.
Now, if a bitch show it to become a habit of eatting all her pups, she is spayed, for she is still useful as a rabbithound or she would never have been bred, correct?...

No, I agree with Cindy ... *devouring* pups is not a natural reaction, and IS every bit an abomination of nature. A NORMAL reaction when a bitch senses a defect with a pup is to push it away from the litter, or even abandon it. You can't fault a bitch for that. They smell the sickness, weakness, and their own survival instinct kicks in - why should they bother feeding it, depriving themself of nutrients if its ill.
For a bitch to actually eat a live whelp, for her to go AGAINST natural instincts to protect healthy young or simply abandon a litter of sickly pups, is an unnatural, disgusting behavior. The fact is, that if this was natural, the majority of bitches would display this behavior to naturally cull the litter. They don't. Its quite rare. I would have to suspect any bitch who did this was not wired right, and I don't care what type of rabbit dog she made, we have to draw the line at what behavior we'll deal with - and why would I want to waste my $$$ feeding a bitch that made me sick to my stomach just at the sight of her? The OP did the right thing.

I'll tell you what, it sickens me to see a hound eat crap, but a bitch will do it to stimulate the pups and keep her nest clean, it's instinct and she can't help herself.
Nature waste nothing, it would be a waste for the bitch to not consume the the dead pup for the nutrient value or, any pup she felt would threaten the litter by sickness. Dead pups laying around would invite predators and disease into the home...
I know you won't believe this, but I've got some bitches that will throw-up their food in the dog box when their weaning pup and then, the pups will eat it...

...most disgusting thing you ever seen...

...Nature's baby food

eddywilliams · Post by **eddywilliams** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:39 pm

I HAD A NITE CH. BLUETICK COON HOUND GYP WHEN SHE HAD PUPS IF YOU TOUCHED THEM OR GOT AROUND HER WHEN SHE HAD THEM IT WOULD UPSET HER AND SHE WOULD EAT THEM ALSO IF ANY OTHER DOGS GOT AROUND SHE WOULD GO CRAZY TRYING TO GET AT THE DOG SO MUCH THAT 1 OR 2 TIMES SHE TURNED ON THE PUPS ,NOTHING WOULD PUT HER OFF THE TREE NEITHER NEEDLESS TO SAY I RETIRED HER ,FASTEDDY

Itchysmith · Post by **Itchysmith** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:41 am

When I was growing up my uncles raised hogs and sometimes the sows would eat her babies if they were still born or died, or felt threatened and accasionally I have seen them eat every one of them right after they were born.I always thought it was disgusting and something wrong with the mother after seeing her slaughter and eat her own for no reason.Now for dogs to do this is weird to me. Every bitch I've ever had never ate any of her pups born dead, alive or sick just pushed them away or moved her pups.

Jr Walker · Post by **Jr Walker** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:35 am

Bitches know when pups are not right, they cull to save the rest.
Alot of times it's things we do to upset the bitch, that causes them to be eatten.
Now, if a bitch show it to become a habit of eatting all her pups, she is spayed, for she is still useful as a rabbithound or she would never have been bred, correct?... [quote]

I agree...and some of yall might not relize that sickness can spread from dead also...why do u think farmers move dead livestock to sink holes or puts them in the same spot everytime? I reither for a female to eat 1 dead pup than to leave it with the rest of the litter for all the others to die along with it...thats about the same as ur dog takes off on a deer for the first time and u dont have a shocking collar on it so u just put a bullet in it

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:31 pm

Why are some of you guys jumping all over my

Sounds to me like the Beagle was sick in the head and she would be put down if she were in my kennel. At the very least she'd be spayed and outta here.
I don't know if the pups that the mother ate were sick or not, Or died before she ate them, or if they died while she was eating them!! But I do know that once a bitch ate her babies in my house I'd not want to worry about going through that again.
I do think it is UNNATURAL for a mother to eat her young unless the pups were sick and she did it to hide the scent from predators. I don't have ANY mercy for humans that murder children either.

S.R.Patch · Post by **S.R.Patch** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:13 am

Dearest Honey,
There, is the flaw in your thinking. You CAN"T put animals on the same level as humans.
It's the same reasoning as why some people can't see using line/inbreeding as a tool to build better and more consistent results in the breeding program, it's just not acceptable to us as human to inbreed, because we don't cull humans and this thinking is carried over into animals.
Now in you reply, you say it's ok to eat'em for this, but not for that, so you've change your opinion somewhat. The problem is, you and the mama hound don't use the same reasoning power. She don't know you'll nurse the sick or pick out the dead, all she has to fall back on is her inbred instinct and own learned experience.
We like the ones who let us interfere and do for them, and as we go on, the ones we raise from them become more reliant upon us to do for them, but we have to remember, we are going against nature's way and if left to their own, dogs would revert back to selfsuffent ways in short order and thrive, but those with lost instinct we've bred that must have the weak coddled & dead pups pick out for them won't make it.
I don't think anyone "all over your ....", their just replying to your intinal strong worded opinion that there was NO excuse for a bitch to eat her young...
Peace

jdmart · Post by **jdmart** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 9:47 am

Ron,

What was she bred too? There have been cases in certain bloodlines where this shows up more than once. I can think of a couple pretty quickly.

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 11:09 am

S.R.Patch wrote:Dearest Honey,
There, is the flaw in your thinking. You CAN"T put animals on the same level as humans.
It's the same reasoning as why some people can't see using line/inbreeding as a tool to build better and more consistent results in the breeding program, it's just not acceptable to us as human to inbreed, because we don't cull humans and this thinking is carried over into animals.

I have no problem with line breeding or in-breeding in the hands of a master breeder.
My experience with animals that eat their young is that they will do it again, maybe not next time, but probably sometime. Not something I want to keep in my kennel or breed. I see it as a mental/temperment issue. JMO.
Cindy

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:18 pm

Never heard of a beagle Master Breeder.

Please explain that to me and how you become one?

It would be interesting to know if the dams mentioned were AKC registered or not.

I have never seen or heard of this being done by a grade dog.

Rabbithoundjb · Post by **Rabbithoundjb** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 12:43 pm

John I had a grade dog do this, it was years ago before I new what I was doing so I take some of the blame. I was only about 10 yrs. old and she was my 3rd beagle and I mistakenly turned her out to run not knowing she was in her 1st heat cycle, she was only 9 months old. Had 5 ate all of them. Bred her when she was older 3 to 4 and if memory serves me right she had 6 raised them all.

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:11 pm

Rabbithoundjb

It would be of interest to me to know what she was bred to the first time when she ate the pups.
I am imagining you selected the stud the next time.

Beautiful place where you live!!!

Honey Pot Hounds · Post by **Honey Pot Hounds** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:53 pm

Alabama John wrote:Never heard of a beagle Master Breeder.

Please explain that to me and how you become one?

It would be interesting to know if the dams mentioned were AKC registered or not.

I have never seen or heard of this being done by a grade dog.

A "master breeder" is someone who has extensive knoweledge of dogs, breeding and bloodlines and has an accomplished record in the breed(s) he/she has bred. You can't "just" become one, it is a combination of experience, intelligence, skill, and knoweledge of animal husbandry and genetics....In Beagles I am thinking of Julie Wright of Just-Wright Beagles in California. In field Beagles I would say Tim who breeds the Black & Tans is someone I would consider to be, or well on his way to being, a Master breeder (His full name and kennel name are escaping me at the moment). Leah B too -- well on her way, IMO.
~Cindy

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:20 pm

In the eyes of the beholder.

I agree and using that yardstick, I have known many that I would consider master breeders, but doubt if any of you have heard of them.

Lots of the oldtime brace beagle breeders were Master Breeders. They set a goal, bred for it consistently, and accomplished exactly what they wanted and their lines blood influences many beagles today. I don't know of any beagle breeders that accomplished fully what they set out to in such a short time if ever.

Heck, some of my folks might consider me one!!!

Rabbithoundjb · Post by **Rabbithoundjb** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:26 pm

John my dad was a deer hunter and had a beagle that ran loose(you use to be able to do that without worring about thieves, highways, nieghbors etc.) and he took advantage of my ignorance. I don't think he was the problem, probably her being so young.