blodlines getting started.

[wvduece]

if i have 2 dogs n they are mine i can call them anything i want i can call them preachers bloodline if i want too i was involved with game roosters for years n they are the same way if you dont have a hatch in your bloodline some people think your roosters are no good dont have enough bottom lol people use to ask me what kind is that i would always say their my bloodline same way with my hounds i never paid any attention to bloodlines in my dogs until recently, as i never registered any my my dogs i have 7 beagles right now n only 2 of them can be akc registered.i know people will pay more money if its akc thats is usally the first thing they ask i dont know why they ask that ? they dont even trial or hardly sell a pup i have paid big dollars for grade dogs but they were rabbit machines the dog cant read anyway he will run just as hard as if he had papers. i liked this post so i thought i would jump in give my two cents when i breed 2 dogs they are mine if i wont to make them branko i will ask the brankos if i can call them brankos i dont belive they would want me to be calling them brankos unless i win a big hunt like the world or the nationals then they mite want me to call them brankos or who knows they might me to call them dingus or maybe even boldstroke lol keep them post coming i love reading everyones posts n replys thanks preacher i like your post on bloodline nuf said im tired of hintin n pecking jb

[wvduece]

one more thing i have run 4or5 ukc hunts n the first time they give me a paper to fill out lol i told the moh i had no clue what was in my females background he said no problem i will put down (foundation stock)well he was right she is the mother to some of my dogs n the same with other peoples dogs by the way that lil grade dog won her cast n the final 4 as well my first time at a hunt n hers too in 3 hunts she had a first n a second she only needs 25 pts to be a champion grade dog probaly wont finish her out she is 9 n still a rabitt machine what i would call a first class jump dog better stop before i start bragging jb

[Randy Phipps]

Not trying to start an argument or nothing but everyone is entitled to their opinions. What are the chances of producing a dog similiar to some of the great foundation stock without being able to line breed. It just seems it would be easier to trace the genetic code for desired traits by utilizing the names of said foundation stock to minimize the risk of outcrossing and watering down or losing the traits your after.

[gus]

If you didn't see some of the greats run you have no clue if you are approaching a target or if you want to. If you have a male and female that consistently perform in a manner that makes you happy then you are better off breeding them than to breed to a Field Champion you have never seen run. In todays world, Field Champion of what? There is a thread on the espo board by Hunt6 referencing the chance of a good dog in one area winning in another area. A HOF beagle means what? All those HOF beagles were judged by the same rule book. However, that doesn't mean they run/hunt the same.

[SilverZuk]

What are the chances of producing a dog similiar to some of the great foundation stock without being able to line breed.

Look at the great dogs (as far as accomplishments) right now.
Most of those were not linebred dogs.

Line breeding stacks characteristics into a hound (both good and bad).
So that hound has a greater chance of performing, looking, sounding, and acting like other dogs in that line.

There have been some great dogs that were line bred on one side and outcrossed to another dog. That outcross produced better hounds than the line itself.

The biggest thing about line breeding is producing consistency.

[gus]

Check out the pedigree of Branko's Jack of All Trades. I didn't spend a lot of time but a scan indicates that Mount Zion Pete is the only dog that shows up more than once in a five generation pedigree. Branko appears to have bred two dogs that he liked and started his bloodline. I have no idea how each succeeding generation conforms to his fountain head, Jack of All Trades, but it doesn't seem to affect his following since very few beaglers know how Jack performed.

[JUDE]

Boys I tell you what We can just call all them Patch dogs "Jude" if you like . I actually think some hounds out there will make the name proud and some will just not show the type quality that goes into a good breed . Try line/inbreeding your Branko and other hounds for 110 years and see what you get . Oh yeah , we can even put a $500 price tag on the pups . Fact is if you own the kennel name you could mix in ANYTHING you want and call it that particular name . EX. If Branko used a Patch or Northway hound to put more hunt , speed and body into their dogs we would probably never know it . Did I just rattle on .

Buddy

[Randy Phipps]

Wasn't that similiar to what I was asking in my earlier post about narrowing down the genetic cocktail by being able to trace lines via pedigrees in order to consistently produce the traits you are after? My next question would be is how consistent were/are the outcrossed dogs being referred to of reproducing their desirable traits? I'm all for bettering the breed by doing planned breedings in order to get what I'm looking for. I just don't know of a better way than linebreeding at this time. I'm not much of a gambler so I would prefer having better odds of the outcome before I make a cross and limit the possibility of crapping out with a roll of the dice .

[Plowboy]

I think this stuff is cussed, discussed & over thought way too much. Just breed the best 2 dogs you own or can find, for what you want them to do. That way if you are happy, with the off-spring all is well. Fact is there ain't none of us going to better the breed , who are we bettering it for ? ourselves ? our neighbors ?
A man is gonna breed for what he likes & what I like may be total opposite of what John Doe likes, so what got better ? For who ?
Breed for yourself , I know I breed to try & get something that will out hunt, out handle & out perform everything else I already have. (ain't hard to do) To me that is the key, make your dogs better & don't worry about the ones you can't see from your on back porch.
Let other people call them whatever line they want too, that is not important anyway, dogs don't have a clue what name tag you pin on them.
Plowboy

[gus]

who are we bettering it for ? ourselves ? our neighbors ?
A man is gonna breed for what he likes & what I like may be total opposite of what John Doe likes, so what got better ? For who ?

Stud dog owners and oil companies?

[acesdog]

I feel like plowboy been through alot of beagles all names speed hunt regerstered and grade dogs. found what i like. So now i have breed a female and male both dogs please me. the thing is will the pups i dont know but if they can run as good as there parents i will be happy. that's the risk we take. (the key is to run them pups alot they cant make nothing if they dont get out no matter how you breed them.) SO IS THE KEY BREEDING OR GETTING THEM OUT AND ON RABBITS???

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

wouldnt matter what the breeding if u dont run them .. bu then agin it dont matter how much u run them if it aint in them!

[Randy Phipps]

I've found that having it bred into them will save you alot of shoe leather