grey pups

[mc2you]

Southern: sounds like you enjoy and understand this color pattern stuff!. I think some of the confusion is that you are speaking about both phenotype and genotype in the same paragraph. Most people haven't had your course work in biology (genetics: specifically your research on beagle color patterns). I have enjoyed figuring out your homework (research). Most people look at color and aren't getting the genetic definitional differences between un-correlated genes that are producing the color and patterns (phenotype). lol u got me confused, --but keep it up. If I need a color question answered I'm going to look ya up!! enjoy the wknd everybody!
Lar Mc

[beagle crazy]

I'm relatively new to all this stuff-I've only have beagles for a couple of years now. I think I understand the genes and recessive genes, but I have a question. Last fall we paired our red & white male with a tri-color female. We had 3 tri's -black, white and tan- and 2 of what I thought were red & white, but after reading all the above, I'm not so sure anymore! They have copper noses, white feet, bellies and blazes, but their back and heads are 2 different colors of red. Does that make them tri's or are they red & white??

[titan]

I made the cross with my Tri-color female and a Red and white male
I had tri-colors, black and tan and red and whites
I consider the red and white to be Dark red back saddle and Ligher red under belly. there is often white on the beagel as well. I am very fond of the cross and love to get a full dark blanket shade of red on the beagle with light under belly and body.

T he beagle That I cross has won several First Males on the Bench.

[SouthernBeagles]

Beagle Crazy, You said you had three separate colors, that would make them tri's. A true red and white only has two colors.

Below are some pictures to show you the difference. The first dog is a red and white. Some folks may call her a lemon but she is darker than a lemon. She only has two colors, her head is the same color as her back. She also has a copper nose so IF she had a blanket she would be a chocolate tri. Her mother WAS a chocolate tri and is a litter mate sister to the female in the photo below.

This is Ginger. She is the female I mentioned in an earlier post that I mistakenly registered as a red and white. She is actually a chocolate tri. She should have been marked Brown white and tan on her papers.
Notice how her head is a lighter color than her back and how she has lighter colored tips.

This is a red and white next to a chocolate tri.

[beagle crazy]

The two red & whites' I mentioned are truly red and white but where the red mets the white, it's like a strawberry blond--like the red is bleeding into the white. I registered them as red & white because of the copper noses and because I thought you had to have 3 truly distinctive colors to make a tri-and red, white & blond wasn't on the list.

[ironjawdawgs]

Grand-Father of gray pup

I would call the first one a red and white and the second one Brown, White and Tan a chocolate tri color? I bred the chocolate tri (who has a gray dog in his 5th gen ped Mckinney's Rose) to a black white tan female who has no gray dog behind her at all and got 5 chocolate tri pups. Bred one of those chocolate females and got two gray pup. Here's one of the gray pups.

The last gray dog in his dad's ped is like 8th gen back, that goes WAY back, Early 1960 late 1950's before you see that one gray dog. On his mother side(as stated and show above Grand-Father) it's now in the 8th gen(McKinney’s Rose) who was the dam of FC Northway Kate. So that puts the presents of a gray dog on both sides of the pups mother and father. I don't know how genetics work or how long they come out but i know they are there for a very long time. This pup coming out gray just goes to show you how long a breeding program can work. I don't understand it and don't know if I ever will, it blows my mind! I’m just wondering if I breed him to a female that has a gray dog somewhere in her ped if I’ll get anymore blue/grays dogs, I’m only breeding the gray male because he performs well under the gun.

[SouthernBeagles]

The two red & whites' I mentioned are truly red and white but where the red mets the white, it's like a strawberry blond--like the red is bleeding into the white. I registered them as red & white because of the copper noses and because I thought you had to have 3 truly distinctive colors to make a tri-and red, white & blond wasn't on the list

AKC doesn't have every color combination listed but there are more on their website (see below). All you can do is mark as close as possible. Take the second dog in Iron Jaws pictures. That dog is a Brown white and tan. The second dog in my pictures is more of a red white and tan. Genetically they are the same although the depth of the brown is different.

Does the pups color blend into the white like my red and white dog or does the color lighten where it meets the white like the chocolate dog in the third picture next to the red and white? Do you have any pictures of them?




Colors

Description Type Code

Black & Tan S 018
Black Red & White S 027
Black Tan & Bluetick S 029
Black Tan & White S 030
Black White & Tan S 034
Blue Tan & White S 291
Brown & White S 063
Brown White & Tan S 066
Lemon & White S 115
Red & White S 146
Tan & White S 197
Black A 007
Black & White A 019
Black Fawn & White A 023
Black Tan & Redtick A 292
Blue A 037
Blue & White A 045
Brown A 061
Lemon A 114
Red A 140
Red & Black A 141
Red Black & White A 147
Tan A 195
White A 199
White Black & Tan A 219

Markings

Description Type Code

Ticked S 013
Black Markings A 002
Brown Markings A 022
Spotted A 021
Tan Markings A 012
White Markings A 014


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[beagle crazy]

The red color lightens as it meets the white. Like I said, there are 3 different, distinct colors on the pups-white and 2 different shades of red. I'll see if my buddy can get some pictures posted for me ( I don't have that capability yet)