Beagles in Show. Whether your beagle shows full-time in the ring or part-time at the field trials, this forum can be helpful and informative for those seeking better conformation in their beagles, and presenting them at their best to the judge.
SilverZuk wrote:I was just wondering is someone showed up with a rabbit dog complete with scratched ears and the hair on the tip of its tail almost gone - How would it be judged?
I've seen some very fieldy Beagles entered before. Oftentimes people will bring or borrow these kinds of entries, and skip any fancy grooming of them, to build majors and/or win easy points. 19 out of 20 times it would be dumped, thats all. Maybe a comment or two from a judge on proper show ring presentation, possibly a ribbon or two withheld.
The other exhibitors love to see these dogs coming. Easy pickins, ring padding, you name it. Unless the dog is with a new person to the scene that just doesn't know better yet, the judges know what's going on.
Cindy
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I understand that some might "ring pad" to get more dogs in the ring to beat (like the boxer that had a record of 100-0-1 they said 99 were tijuana cab drivers).
For example if I took your best show dog and ran/hunted with mine for a month. The dog had hair on its tail worn thin, scratches in its ears, and weight cut down where you could see the last rib or two and muscle definition through the hind quarters.
Then I gave the dog back to you to prepare it for the show ring:
Would that dog be at a disadvantage in that pyshical condition?
What would you do to get it back into show condition?
Really doesn't matter because anything that will hunt and run like that is not going to win an AKC show anyway. That's the sad state of affairs not just beaglers but owners of all field use breeds find themselves in with AKC.
Larry G wrote:Really doesn't matter because anything that will hunt and run like that is not going to win an AKC show anyway. That's the sad state of affairs not just beaglers but owners of all field use breeds find themselves in with AKC.
The show dogs can run with the others just fine but, of course they won't hunt the correct "style" or have enough voice usually. However, if you take one and run it with your hounds and it comes back scratched up and with a bare tail but, its a darn good dog otherwise I'd probably groom it the best I can maybe give it a few weeks to get some hair back and take it to the ring and see how it goes. I'd definately pick and choose my judges. I can think of plenty who wouldn't have a problem at all with it looking like it did its job.
Larry G wrote:Really doesn't matter because anything that will hunt and run like that is not going to win an AKC show anyway. That's the sad state of affairs not just beaglers but owners of all field use breeds find themselves in with AKC.
WELL maybe not YET but we are getting Closer
We Took Winners Dog and Reserve best of Winners at Purina Farms (Grays Summit Mo) this last weekend With a FIELD Dog!!!!!
Silverzuk to answer your Question the Dog would more than Likely NOT place....
Like larry Said its a HARD road.
Last edited by TC on Tue May 08, 2007 5:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be
I hunt my beagles, run in both UKC and AKC field trials and show in the AKC. Onle one time did I feel like hunting may have hurt me in the show ring. I've been told by judges that they like to see a dog doing what it was bred to do. I hope this helps
WELL maybe not YET but we are getting Closer
We Took Winners Dog and Reserve best of Winners at Purina Farms (Grays Summit Mo) this last weekend With a FIELD Dog
The results are posted at http://www.onofrio.com Your dog wasn't listed either day as WD so, you might want to make sure it was correctly recorded.
Thanks Leah Went back and looked at the catalog my Wife marked and the Ribbons And I was WRONG
My Mistake I thought he had placed over the Dog Shown By Mr Bush Sun But was over the other male For reserve Guess I had better let the Wife Post results from now on As I caint seem to keep it all straight
There were SOME very nice Dogs there this past weekend.
A
From Field to Show and Show to Field the way it should be
No prob TC, just wanted to make sure that you got your correct wins. Judges do make mistakes marking books, people wear wrong numbers etc. ;-) I remember one woman with black cockers and she brought in the wrong one (they all look alike) LOL Then she realized she just won with the Wrong one...oh boy! This was under the late great Annie Clark! Was she ever annoyed!
Hope you had nice weather at your shows. Ours was terrible!
Leah, you commented that a show bred dog wouldn't hunt with the right style or have enought mouth. I disagree, I've seen Parker puppies in the field they have the same instincts as any other beagle pup. If you foster that instinct you can turn out a good rabbit dog. Only about 15% of the pup out of the top producing sire in the UKC makes a champion, I say take 10 show bred pups and put the same amount of effort into them in the field, and one would make a champion. Biggest problem with show breeding is the cost I can buy 4 field dogs for the cost of one show dog, and weed out the ones I don't won't.
Dr Ed wrote:Leah, you commented that a show bred dog wouldn't hunt with the right style or have enought mouth. I disagree, I've seen Parker puppies in the field they have the same instincts as any other beagle pup. If you foster that instinct you can turn out a good rabbit dog. Only about 15% of the pup out of the top producing sire in the UKC makes a champion, I say take 10 show bred pups and put the same amount of effort into them in the field, and one would make a champion. Biggest problem with show breeding is the cost I can buy 4 field dogs for the cost of one show dog, and weed out the ones I don't won't.
Ed
Thats great to hear about the parker ones. Do they run the style that could make them AKC field champions? That is mainly what I'm talking about in the Quest to create a dual champion.
Our show dogs are quite a bit more pricey and I understand its hard to want to pay it but, thats just the way it is. I just can't sell them for 200.00 and make ends meet. The other option is to breed to a show bred male and that way you get a whole litter for a decent price.
LEAH, My point is, that if you have a large enought sample odds are you can develop a champion. The price of show pups prevents me from doing just that at this time, well that and my wife. lol
I don't think a lot of show people realize how hard it is to make a field champion (I'm talking an AKC champion, not the other registries). It's very very tough to do this with something bred for anything other than field trials. The competition is so much greater in trialing.
There was mention earlier about the guy who created a show championship to create a dual champion by taking his own dogs to shows and building majors. This is not possible in field trials. Very few AKC trials have classes of fewer than 10 hounds, so building your own field champion just is not a possibility. It has to be done the hard way, by getting the 3 wins and enough points. This is the primary reason we have not had a true AKC dual champion since Amawalk Link in the 1940s, except for the one mentioned above.
I can understand how it must be hard to pay a high price for a show bred dog however, I feel for the work I do, the sacrifices I make and the $$ I spend making them champions I'm asking a fair price. Its not as easy as it looks and its costly!
My Mistake I thought he had placed over the Dog Shown By Mr Bush Sun But was over the other male For reserve Guess I had better let the Wife Post results from now on As I caint seem to keep it all straight 
the wife.....