Why is there so much AKC predjudice?

[TurboPwrdBeagler]

My question is why does everyone act like a dog that isn't AKC got the plague?The papers don't get in the briars and run the Rabbit?

[wingpatch]

Dodge,Chevy, Ford, Toyota, Gmc, Horse ,Mule,???????

Need i say more.
Wingpatch

[YGD]

AMEN, PATCH
BUNNYBUSTER

[S.R.Patch]

Chevy, GMC, Mule, horse, ford, dodge... What's your flavour?...lol...Patch

[wingpatch]

Dodges aint no good, But i am kinda fond of my wife she drives one.
Toyota's are just a bunch of old american cars that were wore out, But i am kinda wore out too, So i drive one . I am a little crazy but i aint stupid so i have mules not horses. As far as dogs go, i dont know a dam thing. But i am learning a whole lot sorting through all this B. S. on the boards.

Wingpatch

[Little Dog]

As long as it runs and it is a Ford!

I'd pay whatever for whatever, but what I've found that I like has always been grade. If I found something I really liked with papers than I buy it, but I'd never stick to just a papered dogs. Now if I ran a big named kennel and was a breeder I might feel different. But I'm just a rabbit hunter that likes to run year-round. I just like beagles, but I have noticed certain boards pick this or that kind of dog.

For example, Mason had a asked about some dogs you'd like to see and over here is was all AKC and when he asked on ARHA site he got a mix. Guess it depends on the company. Have any big named AKC dogs done well in ARHA trails or UKC trails? I know of a few, but have any dominated the ARHA like say Bruner's Big Ben or Blueback. Wait, maybe Blueback was AKC? ???

An AKC dog will get more money, but I am not in it for money. I'm rambling -- BUT AGAIN WHATEVER RUNS -- though I prefer Ford. I guess my quote line says it all.

[TurboPwrdBeagler]

Let's get back to dog's for a minute?I have a super female that I bred to Triple Champion Smokes Creek Syris McGee,She's UKC-ARHA and needs only a 1st to Champion out in ARHA LP.as well as a few places in PP.
These will be great pups I have no dout,But people seem to back off soon as they find out that she's not AKC. I DON'T GET IT?
Union Co. Beagles

[Deb]

Because like it or not....there are too many people out there buying dogs....that automatically when they hear AKC...think quality. You could probably sell them a cat and tell them it was a new breed if you had AKC papers to go with it. These same people will go to a pet store and spend $800 or more for the same type of puppy that they could have bought from someone with a little ethics for less....only difference is the one for less is healthy and well cared for, and will be able to do what the breed was intended to do!! Not that there aren't some well bred, well cared for dogs of any breed that are AKC because there are....just in some breeds there are also dedicated people breeding under different registries....the thing is the public has to be educated about the other registries....too many people out there saying all the other registries are for puppy mills. Certainly many of them are just that ...but many are also dedicated to the sporting dogs. Just AKC stands out the most in the public eye.

[blackdirt beagles]

same problem here. i have all AKC dogs now(except 1). used to have a few ARHA only, but no one around here will even look at a beagle unless its AKC, so slowly i just got rid of my arha stuff. its too bad, the toughest dog i ever had is "only" arha, but ive never seen her get embarrassed in the field, usually she does some a*$$ kicking . i have a pup out of her and thats the only "grade" dog i own right now. my uncle still has the female and she sure aint for sale . im sure i'll always have a couple "grade dogs" out of this line just for the fact that they are tough to beat but most of my stuff from now on (about 95%) will be AKC. only reason is that to sell pups or resale a dog it has to be AKC around here to get what its worth. bottom line is just money,

[Beagleman973]

Just my two cents, AKC is more prolific, so that means more people have AKC dogs. I have one grade hound and the rest are all AKC. Now if I'm planning on breeding, which I did this spring, and I'm thinking about maybe breeding a pup I have bought if it turned out good, I would buy AKC instead of UKC, ARHA, etc.

The reason is not that dogs in those registries aren't good, but if I breed them to my AKC hound, then that's a litter I can't register like my other hounds.

The other thing that bothers me is I try to breed very close and will only outcross for particular traits. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but with ARHA this hound may be the first in its line ever registered. I see trial results from ARHA where it says unknown sire and dam. Now personally I don't want to breed a dog that I don't know what is behind it. This still doesn't mean its not a great dog, but I still want to know what is behind it.

No papers don't run a rabbit, but they do help in breeding decisions.

Just my two cents.

[Chuck Terry]

I quit fighting it several years ago! I keep ONLY AKC dogs now. I have nothing against grade dogs but I decided it was in my best interest to stop breeding them and my last one died a year and a half ago. The AKC dogs are MUCH easier to move if I want to get one out of my kennel or have more pups than I want to keep. I am not really in it to make money but AKC dogs GENERALLY bring more if you sell them. One can argue all day that the grade dogs are just as good (some say better) but that does not change the overwhelming perception that the papers are what counts and AKC is the MOST RECOGNIZED REGISTRY. I see your point but you are fighting a losing battle their my friend!

[wvrabbithunter]

i got a grade dog here at the house,three years old, money could not buy him,and the only way i would breed him,is right here in my back yard,i have breed him two times,now just about all my friends have a pup out of him,and they anit selling,he is just a good all around hunting dog,i dont know if he is a grate dog ,dont care,i have tow patch hounds that are akc and they move a rabbit when i have all three out you could all most throw a coat over them when they are running it s real close.what i am trying to say akc is just papers but most people want to see where a dogs comes
from,then again i seen some akc beagles that looks alot like a bassets,are the dogs with paper really what they say they are??? wvrabbithunter

[Big Dog]

I to have wrestled this decision of AKC vs non AKC and I have decided to go all AKC, not because AKC dogs are necessarily better(in my case they happen to be), but because in these parts people will not give you what a dog is really worth unless he is AKC. Example I have sold two dogs in the last month one AKC the other not. I got $250 for a 1 year old NKC dog that has been running since she was 5 months old. I got $350 for an AKC female the same age that had only been running since she was 9 months old that was not yet close in ability to the NKC registered dog. I don't consider myself a breeder, but when I do breed I only plan to keep a pup or two and must sell the rest. I want to get what the dog is worth when I sell it, and AKC papers seem to help in that aspect.

Big Dog

[DG TX]

Just like a closed registry. If I take the time and expense to breed a line of hounds with success, I want the public to know where they came from. I am dead set against being able to change registered names of hounds.
Some registries don't even bother to show what the hounds breeding is when results are being shown. This does not help the breeder or his line of hounds. But Turbo, if you like your bitch, stand up for her "within" the registry she represents and don't be worried by the comments. I laugh at the "Basset looks" comments as it is the truth. But I also know that these hounds are not part Basset but just a sign of the sorriest breeding habits known to the Beagle world. That being the AKC traditional brace Beagle.
I talked to a party today who had "miniature registered Beagles" advertised locally. They said that the registry recognized "miniature Beagles". They did not know what 13" & 15" stood for when I refered to the sizes. Said thier registry measured "regular & miniature"
AKC NEVER meant for thier papers to bust brush or run rabbits and they DON'T. But they have represented a pretty good data base for line & inbreeding for over 100 years.
Crooked breeders & dog jockeys have been a HOT topic lately. AKC has stood up and "took care of thier business" when it comes to this problem.
Just read "the ad" in the book a few months back.

[Rosewood]

I have to put my two cents worth in on the AKC side. I am Not one to automatically say that AKC = Quality. I also understand that some of the pedigrees in any registry including AKC are probably not totally accurate due to dishonest breeder and dog jockeys switching papers and so on. The papers and pedigrees are meant to be used as a tool for breeders. If you know what traits the parents and grand parents had you should be more able to predict the traits of the pups. In sigle registered dogs for the most part no matter how that dog performs he may not be able to produce his likeness. Although all of my hounds are AKC registered I am actively involved in the UKC and have many of my hounds double registered. Hopefully in the future UKC or ARHA will have a large enough gene pool that they will close their books to single registration. The problem I see with single registration is that nobody cares about the " future of the breed " some people try to be the first ones at the flea market every week to find the dog they think can win a trophy no matter what. Then after they win a few trophy's or a title they want to sell the dog for lots of money and go buy another prospect.