Question?

[TOUCHSTONEBGLS]

What does the AKC format judge on? What do the dogs get points for? Are they trial dogs or rabbit dogs? Is the dog standing at your feet until a rabbit is jumped going to be the winner. Do dogs get put in the truck or minused for looking for rabbits? Never been to one but have heard these things.

[main event`s beagles]

if u got the dog power 3 1/2 hours is rather close and worth the trip. someone gave you some bad information. i am a member of 2 clubs both together is nowhere near a 100 bucks.

[yellow mt. kennels]

AKC IS THE GRAND DADDY OF THEM ALL AS FAR AS WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD UP A NAME THAT PEOPLE LOOK TO. SO IN THAT RESPECT AKC, BUT GIVEN THE VAST DIFFERENCES IN DOG'S AND RUNNIN STYLES, AND THE INTERNET THERE IS A PLACE FOR EVERY STYLE OF DOG, AND DOG OWNER OUT THERE NOW. AND EACH ONE HAS IT'S PLACE FOR WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR CORK.

DANNY VANSICKLE, I TOO AM A ARHA (NKC) MAN. BUT YOU MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE PROGRESSIVE PACK DIVISION IN THE ARHA.
A DOG AFTER IT HAS ACHIEVED ITS REQUIRED WIN, AND 100 POINTS, MUST THEN PASS CERTIFICATION IN ORDER TO BECOME A CHAMPION.
THE DOG MUST JUMP AND CIRCLE IT'S OWN RABBTI, AND BE SHOT OVER IN ORDER TO BECOME A PROGRESSIVE PACK CHAMPION. AND DURING THAT CERTIFICATION, IF IT PICKS UP 3 MINUS IT FAILS THE TEST. THERE ARE NOT MANY, IF ANY AT ALL GUN SHY DOGS THAT MAKE PROGRESSIVE PACK CHAMPIONS, OR GRAND CHAMPIONS. BUT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THERE IS ALWAYS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULES THAT SLIPS THROUGH. BUT MORE NOT THAN DO.

I'M WITH CINDY (HONEY POT), IN THAT ALL THE CHAMPION, GRAND CHAMPION, AKC, NKC, UKC, PKC, OR ANYOTHER "C". DOES NOT MEAN A THING TO ME UNTIL I SEE THE DOG IN ACTION IN THE FIELD FIRST!!!!!!!
BECAUSE ALL RABBIT DOGS ARE NOT TRIAL DOGS, AND ALL TRIAL DOGS ARE NOT RABBIT DAWGS!!!!!

JAMES DAVIS
YELLOW MT. KENNELS

[THALL]

AKC IS THE GRAND DADDY OF THEM ALL AS FAR AS WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD UP A NAME THAT PEOPLE LOOK TO. SO IN THAT RESPECT AKC, BUT GIVEN THE VAST DIFFERENCES IN DOG'S AND RUNNIN STYLES, AND THE INTERNET THERE IS A PLACE FOR EVERY STYLE OF DOG, AND DOG OWNER OUT THERE NOW. AND EACH ONE HAS IT'S PLACE FOR WHATEVER FLOATS YOUR CORK.

DANNY VANSICKLE, I TOO AM A ARHA (NKC) MAN. BUT YOU MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE PROGRESSIVE PACK DIVISION IN THE ARHA.
A DOG AFTER IT HAS ACHIEVED ITS REQUIRED WIN, AND 100 POINTS, MUST THEN PASS CERTIFICATION IN ORDER TO BECOME A CHAMPION.
THE DOG MUST JUMP AND CIRCLE IT'S OWN RABBTI, AND BE SHOT OVER IN ORDER TO BECOME A PROGRESSIVE PACK CHAMPION. AND DURING THAT CERTIFICATION, IF IT PICKS UP 3 MINUS IT FAILS THE TEST. THERE ARE NOT MANY, IF ANY AT ALL GUN SHY DOGS THAT MAKE PROGRESSIVE PACK CHAMPIONS, OR GRAND CHAMPIONS. BUT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, THERE IS ALWAYS THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULES THAT SLIPS THROUGH. BUT MORE NOT THAN DO.

I'M WITH CINDY (HONEY POT), IN THAT ALL THE CHAMPION, GRAND CHAMPION, AKC, NKC, UKC, PKC, OR ANYOTHER "C". DOES NOT MEAN A THING TO ME UNTIL I SEE THE DOG IN ACTION IN THE FIELD FIRST!!!!!!!
BECAUSE ALL RABBIT DOGS ARE NOT TRIAL DOGS, AND ALL TRIAL DOGS ARE NOT RABBIT DAWGS!!!!!

JAMES DAVIS
YELLOW MT. KENNELS

well said,but i've seen an arha dog win a hunt and with 12 dogs and six belonged to one man. the dog only has to win 1 hunt and gain 100 points with the win worth 40 points. wonder why there are so many arha champions? I'm noy bashing arha because i like their format, but i know there's a lot of bubby judging, and yes buddy certifing.

[hubertsoutlaw]

See, this to me is a good post because each of us love to run hounds. Like to talk about different styles of dogs and what format we like to run in. Some people have been misinformed about formats. Jamie helped a person learn more about the AKC format and now he might come to some of our trials. Now about an ARHA champion. There are two many arha trials and to many buddy systems. In AKC, there are not that many trials and the closest club for me is about 2 hours. The dogs are judged on their hunt,speed drive, line control and check work. I would not know what its like to own a champion in any format, but the dogs I own are all champions to me. They are what I like. AKC has two judges that judge all day long. So the buddy system is harder to have. Also judges are voted on at each meeting and are usually not from the same state. I love running the AKC format because it is the closes to real hunting. Jeremy!

[Matt Wilson]

hubertsouthlaw you must have never tried ukc hunting beagle that is just like hunting you let the dogs jump the rabbit and score after the rabbit is seen and circled. No tally-ho stick needed. That is what I do when hunting is let dogs jump and then go stand in area they jumped it and wait for Mr. bunny to come back.

[hubertsoutlaw]

I haven't tried any UKC events. I need to go to one or two of them. I really don't have a way of really knowing when they are. Right know I probably don't have a dog that runs enough front for UKC. My hounds are great jump and check dogs, but don't have a lot of foot. I run more of a med/fast hound. My dogs look great when senting is tuff, but run middle of the pack the rest of the time. I wish my outlaw dog had a little more foot because he would get some looks. He did take a 1st in a AKC large pack trial. It was just his kind of running. A blind squirrel finds a nut every know and again.

[Larry G]

James (yellow mountain) come on down and run with us at Tuckaseegee, we'd be glad to have you. I plan to run at Ben's Knob sometime. We ran yesterday and the judges let um roll. Seems like the younger the judges the faster the dogs.

A bunch of the trialers didn't have hunting licenses, and the game wardens came in and wrote some tickets. Worst thing though was the news that the club's president has a serious illness, which made the day a sad affair for everyone.

I don't think you'll see too much difference in what runs there and the PP dogs except maybe an extra bark here and there.

[TOUCHSTONEBGLS]

What makes an AKC trial the closest to real rabbit hunting? Do AKC judges scratch dogs for going in looking for rabbits in stead of staying with the handlers?

[bill (flint river )]

no they dont scratch for searching.

[TC]

A bunch of the trialers didn't have hunting licenses, and the game wardens came in and wrote some tickets.

Ok Hold On here they gave em TICKETS??????
didnt the club let the DFW or game management know they were having a trial??????
As long as it was a sanctioned Field trial You dont have to have a licence (what our club was told) if I was written a ticket for trialing at a Club the CLUB would be paying my Ticket!!!!!!!
If that was the case then Every time i head out of State i would have to buy a out of state license that would make trialing a No WAY thing for most folks!!!!

[Lone Pine Beagles]

IMO,

The best test for real rabbit dogs is the ARHA PP Div. (grand champ) title.

Yeah, it's not too hard to get 100 pts and a win to qualify for champ, but...you have to pass certification. I have seen several not pass on the first try.

Next you need 5 wins in the champ class. Then pass certification for grand which is much tougher. This truly separates the men from the boys!

I have watched EVERY form and fashion of beagle run a rabbit and these PP Grands are the real deal for Joe Schmoe rabbit hunter.

Lone Pine Beagles

[joe kaschak]

AKC mandates that dogs are scored on hunt and search in all licensed trials and sanctioned trials. So a dog that has no hunt will generally get picked up. However , you have to remember that trials are held at beagle clubs and that paths are cut for judges to be able to get around easier and doubling as food plots on a lot of clubs, so sometimes dogs will
hunt the paths and will frequently start rabbits by doing so. That is probably why people say that AKC dogs have no hunt. Also the old brace dogs, which should in NO WAY be confused for hunting dogs (SPO), have handlers that use tally-ho sticks because those dogs are judged solely on line control. Hope this helps to clear things up.

[Hills Beagles]

Are they trial dogs or rabbit dogs?

If you have to ask that question that says alot about the registry you run in. In AKC dogs get picked up for lack of hunt. We consistently run dogs from morning to dark (tests bottom for a long days hunt) how does UKC test for endurance? We get qualified, experienced judges to evaluate hounds(We don't let the gallery or a judge with a hound in the pack make decisions or stand around and argue about who struck first etc.). Hounds are scored on their ability to run a rabbit by scoring checks, drive and giving an edge to a dog that hunts better, jumps more rabbits, etc. Hounds are demerited for backtracking, over running the line, skirting, swinging in the check, being mouthy. How many UKC champions have obtained there field champion title after finishing in UKC. I would say that nearly every AKC champion coming from the midwest or large pack could easily champion in UKC judging by the hounds I have seen. With that said I have seen a few nice hounds from the UKC just not the same overall level of competition in my opinion. We can argue about this all day but you are more than welcome to bring your best hound and an open mind to an AKC trial and see for yourself the quality of hound we run.

PS. Don't be to quick to spin your tires if you get beat. Stick around it gets even better as the day goes on!

Brandon Hill

[mike crabtree]

I edited my post here. Dont need to hurt any feelings telling the truth.