Is Progresive pack merging into Little pack

[slim shady]

Yeah I am a little pack judge and I have judged you Jimmy and you won.

[kybeagler]

I dont score a 10 or 11 second checks but if Im judging and by the time you see they lost it and look at your watch and by then there is 2 seconds gone and a dog picks it up and by the time I glance down to see how long it was theres maybe another second gone its 13 or 14 seconds gone by my watch then Im scoring it.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

And a darn fine judge i may add. Lol . You can only judge what available to get at , Not saying dont try ,but I can not keep up with gut stringing runs any longer .(HONESTLY NEVER COULD). All anyone can ask is get the most you can . Young bucks """""" Dont be afraid to give them jumps"""""". If you are judging you should know em . If i dont get one but ol so and so does especially when my dog never lets up for 50 Yards
kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth

[Lynn Perkins]

And a darn fine judge i may add. Lol .

[kybeagler]

Fine judge I may add. LOL

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

What?

[slim shady]

I am a fine judge. Lol I think its funny too. Would I be a bad judge if you would have lost. Anyway I got tickled when I read that.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

Not really , long as we all got em.

[Alabama John]

Now we're hearing the real story!

Why would ya'll like shorter checks? Because your good fast dogs are recovering checks in less than 15 seconds and not getting points for it.
Good for them!

LP trials are supposed to mimic a hunting Beagle.

I've always said a close fast dog can run a rabbit without as many loses as a slow dog. A rabbit under pressure running for its life can't double back and pull stuff that one easing along can.

I would like to see a judge watch as much of a cast as he can and when the cast loses the track, and any judge knows they have, call it a check just like we do hunting and give 25 points to the dog that finds it and takes off with it whether its 2 or 14 seconds. Leave the watch at home. Then every cast will have checks and get points and a fst recovering dog will be rewarded.

If a dog is running 50 yards ahead of the others, give it a 100 point bonus. Have the judge go with that one and only judge that one. If a judge calls time out to stop the fast dog and have to wait to bring up the slower ones, give another 100 points to the one doing its job that was stopped, recast, and made to start over equal with the other 4.
Give a penalty to the dog that is creating the checks. That would eliminate old lying tongue check maker.

Dogs that place down here in LP are slower than a few years ago.

[Hatfield]

My dogs don't babble (too much?)they sometimes do bobble the track. I will agree with you John a loss is a loss and a recovery is a check. GUN HUNTER FIRST ALWAYS! I have never seen a pack of hounds that are med-fast to fast run an hour with out a bad check. I will agree also it is a beautiful thing when a pack changes the lead to keep the track going. So are were going to run those bruisers?

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

John
I really dont think lp dogs up here aint any slower than years past , but just cleaner, I agree with you on this a check to me is the recovering dog.
I dont time my dogs when i am running cause truthfully they seem to have checks quicker than the posted 15 seconds .


When you drop hare bred dogs on the ground with 5 dogs , its strange i believe your checks are longer in the first 15 mins than the last 45 considering there is running available. Thats when brains come to play .
I have seen my older dogs not even bark for the first 10 mins of the race once they figure out whos doing what , then they get more check involved.

In the midwest i also believe as a general rule 30 mins on the ground then up, kinda sucks , they are trying to get score on 7 males that are wired and ready to run . They will be ruff , They are hare bred. My stock is more 2nd half dogs than 1st. I will continue to trial till I fill like i can not compete or get pissed off. Till then watch for jimbo , Still Going. Old school not Pre school.

[Alabama John]

You can come down here in January or February if you want.
We will run around Decatur, Alabama.

We have several folks that come down and run and everyone seems to enjoy it.

Most don't trial and when we have a good run and their dogs do real well, they will look at me and say, but, those dogs didn't get any points.
All in fun!

We usually run a pack of 8 to 20 depending on who's here.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

Not to offend anybody but why in the world would anybody run 20 dogs at once?

[Hatfield]

I went back and reread your post where you said that is what you didn't like about little pack. I thought you meant your dogs did this on a regular basis, check being a check not required to be 15 sec.. I have seen an hour of runnin in In. (not my dogs) One belonging to: Brewermo with Hammer, Mike Crabtree with Reject, Jimmy Abshire with Abby and a couple of other guys I can not remember their names(sorry guys). There was 50+ min of Indiana running with 3 scorable checks.and One gutted Frank Miller as judge(did what I felt like was the best anyone could be asked to do) Needed a horse to keep up with those dogs, and there was still score. What happened to you coud happen, but it doesn't happen very often. You could always run mid west they score on drive. I have seen some excelent rabbit dogs run in that format too!

Good runnin and no hard feelings,
Robert Hatfield

[Ky Scott]

Houndsound wrote

LP may promote a dog that is a little "rough" in the check.... but if PP has bunch's of dog's that run a rabbit for an hour and a 15 second check is a rare and long check.... then they're promoting babbler

Explain to me how PP is promoting babblers by scoring a dog that beats 5 other dogs to recovering the line in less than 15 seconds?