URGENT HELP NEEDED ?

whiteriver · Post by **whiteriver** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:42 pm

I HAVE A FEMALE WHO IS 8 YEARS OLD IN LABOR .SHE IS A COUPLE DAYS EARLY.

tHIS MORNING AT 10:00 SHE BEGAN MOANING AND PUSHING .I FOUND PART OF A PUP IN HER BOX(THE FEET AND SOME MUSH) . SHE HAS WHAT LOOKS LIKE AFTERBIRTH HANGING OUT OF HER AND IS NOW AT 5:30 STILL MOANING AND IN LABOR WITH NO PUPS ???????

BEING THANKSGIVING I HAVE NO CONTACT WITH A VET AND I AM PRETTY CONCERNED OBVIOUSLY .

ANY ADVICE WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED !

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bgalmania · Post by **bgalmania** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:00 pm

Sounds like she has a pup that is stuck in the birth canal. Better get her to a vet quick. You stand to lose all the pups. Best of luck.

Rick

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:13 pm

As much as I hate to recommend it... I think you better get her to the ER clinic or now that its afternoon be brave and call the vet. You could loose the puppies and the bitch. This sort of thing cannot wait until morning. If she is pushing with no results then she could rupture the uterus. If you can you can try to reach inside her and get ahold of the puppy. It doesn't sound hopeful though if she has been working on it all day.

Leah

RABBITBUTCHER · Post by **RABBITBUTCHER** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:06 pm

FIND A VET ,SHE SHOULDN'T BE IN LABOR THAT LONG.
YOU WILL PROBLEY HAVE TO SPADE HER NOW.

whiteriver · Post by **whiteriver** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:58 pm

thx everybody

Leah
i went and reached inside of her and pulled a pup ,the pup was coming out head first and was almost much when i got it out .

would u say the rest of the pups are probably dead ?

I feel so bad for her ,i tried to get ahold of a vet and had no luck !
Since i pulled the stuck pup is there a chance she could have them normal now ?

stanimals2 · Post by **stanimals2** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:08 pm

Dont chance it I lost a female a few years back because I didnt get her to the vet in time and the infection from the pups killed her in less than 24 hours

bgalmania · Post by **bgalmania** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:13 pm

I would say that it's too late now. It's most likely that all the pups are dead. Find a vet that will do an emergency c section for you. If you want to save the female this would need to be done soon.

Rick

greenesbeagles · Post by **greenesbeagles** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:20 pm

YES TRY AND FIND A VET,MY FEMALE WENT INTO LABOR WHEN I WAS AT WORK AND THE SAME EXACT THING HAPPEND TO MY 5YEAR OLD BICTH AND WHEN I GOT HOME SHE AND ALL THE PUPS WERE DEAD.SHE DID NOT HAVE ANY,THE FIRST ONE GOT STUCK AND SHE HEMERIGDE.VERY VERY SAD THING,MY WIFE TOOK IT HARD.SHE WAS 4 DAYS EARLY,WE WERE EXPECTING NEW LITTER OF PUPS WITH A NEW MAMA AND INSTEAD LOST THE LITTER AND THE MAMA.IT SUCKS

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:44 pm

Mitch..

It sounds bad. Can you find an ER vet clinic? It sounds like the puppies are all dead if the one you pulled was like Mush. I'm sorry for you especially when this stuff happens on a holiday or weekend. I usually call my vet a week in advance of a bitch whelping and give him a heads up. I am lucky though. I have his home and cell phone numbers.

If you cannot find anyone I hope she can pass the rest. Give her a couple of calcium tablets if you have them to keep the contractions going to expel the rest. It will not rupture the uterus like oxytocin does.

Leah

whiteriver · Post by **whiteriver** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:03 pm

Windkist ,
after i puuled the pup she passed another and was finished,She is now acting great and wanting attention from me ,seems to have mentally messed with her ? I am putting her on antibiotics just in case .

since she is acing good is there anything else i should be worried about ?

thanks alot u really helped me , i would not have tried to pull that pup if u had not said to .

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:02 pm

whiteriver wrote:Windkist ,
after i puuled the pup she passed another and was finished,She is now acting great and wanting attention from me ,seems to have mentally messed with her ? I am putting her on antibiotics just in case .

since she is acing good is there anything else i should be worried about ?

thanks alot u really helped me , i would not have tried to pull that pup if u had not said to .

I'm so glad that I could help! Antibiotics are a good idea as well. Continue them for a minimum of 7 days. At this point as long as she is eating and doesn't run a high temp I wouldn't worry. she has raging hormones I'm sure which might make her seem a bit crazy or clingy but, in a few days she'll be fine.

Thanks for letting us know the outcome!

Leah

BJK · Post by **BJK** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:28 pm

Mitch,

A shot of Oxytocin, 1cc would have cleaned her out any pups or afterbirth by introducing contractions. Afterbirth that remains inside a bitch when whelping is just as poisonous as a dead pup.

Nate

sanfordssj · Post by **sanfordssj** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:32 pm

Did any of the pups make it?

Windkist · Post by **Windkist** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:49 am

BJK wrote:Mitch,

A shot of Oxytocin, 1cc would have cleaned her out any pups or afterbirth by introducing contractions. Afterbirth that remains inside a bitch when whelping is just as poisonous as a dead pup.

Nate

I agree Nate.. However oxytocin is dangerous if the bitch is still in labor and contracting and if there are still puppies to be delivered. I NEVER use it anymore. It causes placental seperation and if a puppy is stuck it can cause the uterus to rupture. I do think its right for a cleanout if you want to use it. I never have done that and in 20 years never had a bitch retain a placenta.

when a bitch is in active labor and seems to be slowing down the best choice is calcium. I use calsorb which is very inexpensive and easy to administer (orally) NEVER give calcium to a pregnant bitch only during labor.

Leah

TC · Post by TC » Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:27 pm

Leah,
What does the Calcium do other then prevent calcium defeciency which is common in bitches that welp?

I to agree that you shouldn't give oxytocin unless it is last resort and with a stuck pup it wouldn't have done a thing to help would have actually harmed the female like you said.