TURBO,JUST A DOG,OR A BLOODLINE?

bill (flint river ) · Post by **bill (flint river )** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:03 am

turbo half brother and sister . all out of prop.

1 FC Armando's Bounty Hunter

2 FC Branko's Chief Braveheart

3 FC Branko's Rabble Rauser

4 FC Branko's Proper Shadow

5 FC Branko's Proper Baron

6 FC Branko's Boot Scoot'n Boogie

7 Int FC Branko's Real Sport

8 FC Branko's Proper Digger

9 FC Branko's Boonecreek Trimmer

10 FC Branko's Proper Lady Slipper

11 FC Branko's Proper Tomcat

12 FC Branko's Midnight Echo

13 Can FC Branko's Starlight Express

14 FC Cedar Hollow Kaylee

15 Int FC Murray's Holly

16 Int FC Murray's Little Blazer

17 FC Hare Force Slippery

18 FC Davis Daisey Mae

these are just the ones that were finshed. i need to go back to sleep...lol

Greg H · Post by **Greg H** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:04 am

Turbo was a dog. One dog does not make a bloodline. Turbo was not Branko bred although he was of Branko blood. If you are breeding to sons and daughters of Turbo, than you are breeding for his blood but you aren't not breeding to a bloodline. A bloodline is excatly that. A whole lot of dogs with same ancestry and like traits that reproduce said traits. One dog lacks the foundation to be considered a bloodline. In about 10 years when you have dogs 5,6 and more generations removed from turbo and they are constantly spitting out Blueticks that run with the same style, then you will have a Turbo Bloodline.

mike crabtree · Post by **mike crabtree** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:52 am

The pedigree I read on Blue Babe has Sock It as her Sire, It probably is wrong. World pedigrees isnt very reliable.

Regardless the point I was making is about the double standard of giving credit.

Was Babe out of Armandos Lil Conman?

redpup · Post by **redpup** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:44 am

Here is Turbo's ped.

-------------------------------------FTC DOVERHILL DOC OF ROCKINGSTONE
-------------------------------IFC ABLE'S EAST COAST TRIMMER
-------------------------------------FTC HARELOCK CANDY BAR
------------------------FC BRANKO'S JACK OF ALL TRADES
-------------------------------------FC DINGUS MACRAE
-------------------------------FTC BRANKO'S CLOSE CALL GIRL
-------------------------------------FTC ANNA'S ANN
-------------IFC BRANKO'S HELI-PROP
-------------------------------------FTC STRAIGHT ARROW
-------------------------------FC OTTERBROOK SAM
-------------------------------------OTTERBROOK JIM HAPPY GIRL
------------------------BRANKO'S SPEEDY DEVIL
-------------------------------------FC MCBRIDE'S FLY-ON-SNOWFLAKE
-------------------------------FTC BRANKO'S PRETTY FRECKLES
-------------------------------------FC BRANKO'S DUTCH WIEFKE
TURBO POWERED BY PROP
-------------------------------------IFC ADIRONDACK BOBBY
-------------------------------FC ELM'S JIGG'S MAGGIE MATE
-------------------------------------FTC BRANKO'S CLOSE CALL GIRL
------------------------IFC ARMANDO'S LITTLE CONMAN
-------------------------------------BRANKO'S CONMAN
-------------------------------FTC BRANKO'S FLYING SPARK
-------------------------------------BRANKO'S LILLY MARLENE
--------------FC ELK CREEK'S BLUE BABE
-------------------------------------FTC DOVERHILL DOC OF ROCKINGSTONE
-------------------------------IFC ABLE'S EAST COAST TRIMMER
-------------------------------------FTC HARELOCK CANDY BAR
------------------------CAMP CREEK GERTRUDE
-------------------------------------FC MUSKIE LAKE BOBBY
-------------------------------FTC BRANKO'S PEGGY SUE
-------------------------------------FC BRANKO'S DUTCH WIEFKE

crewchf · Post by **crewchf** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:33 am

I'll bet less than 10% of all the beagles ever bred in the Good Ole USA have ever been scratched by a briar!!!!!!!!!!

Crew Chief

redpup · Post by **redpup** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:56 am

That would be the show bred beagles.

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:07 am

In breeding and starting your own line, its foolish to find a dog back in the pedigree you like and claim that dog is what you are breeding for.

In Props pedigree above, I see at least 17, over half the dogs, are not Branko so the traits and genes passed down by him could just as easily be from Straight Arrow, Otterbrook, Dingus, Bobby, Elms, etc.

This just Turbo's sire side, what about those in the Dam's? Add those different lines and dogs up in both lines to see what all is different in Turbo's lineage. Which one influences Turbo's traits or genes more?

Its wrong to pick one that is yours or others flavor of the day.

Simply go with the dog you like best today and let all its ancestory and genes come with it as a package.

That's why I believe in breeding best to best.

Let your dogs have mixed up names and lines back there, so no one claims your dogs line except you. Then you have your own line as you alone picked those in it by trailts you liked and merit, not papers or big names.

Apparently, Branko agrees with me.

danny vansickle · Post by **danny vansickle** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:36 am

WHAT IF YOU ARE SELLING PUPS OR A DOG OUT OF TURBO BREEDING,IF HE IS NOT A BLOOLINE HOW WOULD YOU EXPLAIN THE BREEDING?

WELL THE DOG IS BRANKO,DINGUSS,OTTERBROOK,ELMS,STRAIT ARROW,ADDIRONDACK,MCBRIDE BRED???????????????????????

THE DOG IS TURBO BRED IS THE BEST WAY.

I SAY TURBO IS A BLOODLINE...........MAN LAW?

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:06 am

If you were selling me Turbo as a pup for example, I would say out of curiosity "what is this pups lineage" and you would proudly say the sire is Heli-prop and his dam is Elk Creek.

You could also honestly say I choose these two dogs to breed for what I wanted, so this pup Turbo is a result of Danny Vansickle's choices and Danny Vansickle breeding.

Branko understands this simple and old concept and is why he won't claim any pup he didn't choose the breeding on even if both sire and dam came from his kennel.

Its like going to a Church social and having women bring their pies.
Some by looking at the ingredients are obviously pacan pies and that is what everyone calls them.

One though, the one your wife brought is a mixture of pecans, macadamia nuts, walnuts, chocolate, grapes, some white fluffy stuff, probably cream of some kind, and others you can't quite figure out. The folks love it and its the social talk and hit!

When all the women want the receipe, they will come straight to Mrs. Vansickle. There is no question whose pie it is and it will be called Mrs. Vansicles pie forever more in the future.

There are examples of this all around us everyday. Dogs are no different.

crewchf · Post by **crewchf** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:09 am

I'm just gonna show em the Mom And Pop of the pups and take them too the woods and let the buyer see rabbits being chased buy the mom and pop!!!!!!! Bet less than 5% go,,, what do ya think??????? Hope this thread don't go tooo the GUNS, next!!!!

Crew Chief
Rich Piacentine

crewchf · Post by **crewchf** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:19 am

Danny,,, press your shift key and quit YELLING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crew Chief

hardtack · Post by **hardtack** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 11:44 am

i don,t believe one dog is a line, but with that said has anybody tried line breeding from turbo and if so with what results, such as hunt ,desire proper use of mouth and such?

redpup · Post by **redpup** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 12:46 pm

I don't beleive it is man law danny, but I'll drink a beer with you!

redpup · Post by **redpup** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:11 pm

these hounds are what branko crossed 25 -30 yrs ago to come up with his blood line. I give up some people just don't get it.

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Fri Nov 24, 2006 1:47 pm

The illustration was using Branko's breeding from long ago, but the principles still hold true.

Branko is still going outside Branko dogs to bring in blood to inprove his line. He was a smart breeder way back then and still is today.

His method of achieving successful goals hasn't changed, only the dogs names.

There are many breeders doing the same things, but on a much, much smaller scale that are not well known or known at all as they are doing it for themselves and do not trial or anything that catches the beagle worlds eye.

It's the ones that get hung up on a kennel name and don't give any credit to the other dogs in a pedigree that don't get it!