Dog shot...owner outraged......flyergroup.com

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:21 pm

As a previous poster said there is more to this story than meet the eye. For all we know strays may have been harassing this man's rabbits before & the pup was the dog that broke the camel's back. Or the man's kids may have been letting the pup out to play & the pup had been over there harassing his rabbits before. We just don't know.

As for the pup getting in the pen, it may have been a home made pen which a dog could easily destroy. Even if the pup couldn't access the pen, we all know that the pup's harassing the rabbit could still be enough to give the rabbit a heart attack & kill it.

As for catching the dog, you just can't go about catching strange dogs. After all, look at my dog. If it was my dog Trouble going after the rabbit & he tried to catch him he would have been bitten! This man doesn't know whether a dog will bite or not, esp. a dog in the throes of prey drive.

All in all I have to side w/ the rabbit owner. Sad as it is, this man was only protecting his & his own.

In closing I would also have to disagree w/ the comment of nothing being meaner than pit bulls. I was raised w/ pit bulls & have owned my own pit bulls for almost 10 years now.

Generally, they are gentle sweet animals. Dog aggressive, yes, but not what I would consider "mean" in the least. In fact, I have to have 2 Dobermans running loose in my kennel just to keep ppl from walking off w/ my pit bulls!

Now before anyone throws out a horror story about their friend's brother's aunty's cousin's vicious pit bull, yes, there are SOME pit bulls who are mean. But they are the result of poor ownership or poor breeding. This is not a breed trait as a whole.

Greg H · Post by **Greg H** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:16 pm

I think the rabbit guy overreacted. Eye for an eye. I got family that lives over that way and can't believe they let a tree hugger in there. A BB gun would have been just as effective and he wouldn't have killed some kids pet. Honestly, what 8 month old pup have you ever seen that wouldn't have run with its tail between its legs had the guy come out of the house with a broom yelling and screaming. Natzi clown.

MSU, I thought the American Pit Bull was bred to be the meanest dog in town. I will always have a hard time trusting anything with that much FIGHT bred into them. Not only are they bred to fight but have been supplied with an arsenal of deadly weapons. (skulls thick as an elephants with locking jaws) O ya, sweet little puppies.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:30 pm

I guess we will have to agree to disagree about the rabbit man. I feel that while it was sad he shot the dog, we do not know the whole story & should not IMO rush to condemn him. Not to mention that he was fully w/in his right to shoot any dog harassing his livestock. But that is JMHO.

As for APBTs (American Pit Bull Terriers) they are not for everyone. Not everyone can handle a dog that does have "fight" bred into it. But just b/c they have "fight" bred into them does not make them mean or bad. In fact, mean dogs were usually culled.

If a your hound runs down a rabbit & kills it you do not run screaming from it thinking it is a mean dog who will kill you do you? Of course not! That is b/c animal aggression does not = human aggression.

Same thing here. Yes, APBTs were once bred for dog-on-dog combat & yes, some APBTs still retain the fight drive toward other dogs. But this does not make them mean or bad. Despite their dog drive, most APBTs are sweet dogs toward humans & ironically it is the game bred dogs (fighting line dogs) that have the most rock solid, human friendly temperaments.

In fact, you may be shocked to know that according to the American Temperment Test Society (ATTS), a association that tests for suitable temprament in dogs, the APBT has a passing rate of 83%! (Should anyone be wondering, beagles had a passing rate of 79%.)

And pitties dissected at univertisites nationwide have shown that APBTs are not any different than any other dog anatomically. No extra thick skulls. No locking jaws. Those are just old wives' tales.

If you want to learn the truth about bullies, check out this site:

http://www.understand-a-bull.com/

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six shooter · Post by **six shooter** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:40 pm

i think the people who raise pits have the same rights to raise them as any one else. i sure the rabbits didnt care what breed was chewing on them house cats kill more rabbits then all the dog breeds combined. jimmy abshire if a pack of dogs were pulling down your reg calfs what would do you do then, stand and watch i don,t think so.

BuschBound · Post by **BuschBound** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:46 pm

Some guys bred thier pit bulls to be dogs killers some guys bred beagles to be rabbit killers. If you dont have you dog under control you deserve the consequences. Anyone who has a dog that will bolt at the door should be prepared to start the kennel process or there will be alot more dogs in the future with this same faith. No one else at fault but the dog owner.. Beagles are killers.. Don't get me wrong, Yes the guy who shot the dog could have used his common sense and took the loss and found out whos dog it was and had them pay but now days sometime the owners won't fess up. Keep'em kenneled. Run'em in the wild. There should't be any probelms. I'm very sorry for the kids. I hate to see children at young ages go thru this..

hardtack · Post by **hardtack** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:01 am

dan brink · Post by **dan brink** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:29 am

any one think these stories could be planted by the animals rights people to get us fighting among ourselves to make inroads on our sport, if by chance are they are winning the fight.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:03 am

I would have went to jail.

He would have been very sore after the ass whipping he would have recieved and then the cops would have been called. Probably called by him.

Anyone taking up for this jerk/bastard/a#$hole needs to think about it for a minute.

I hope he gets what due to him.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:53 am

The replies I am hearing are insane. Whipping the guy's a.. & killing his animals?? Guys, this man was well w/in his LEGAL RIGHT to kill that dog. Look in any state law book. If the dog owner didn't want his dog killed he should have kept a better hold on his dog.

A lot of folks here say the rabbit owner coulda, woulda shoulda, but the fact is it wasn't his responsibility to woulda, coulda, shoulda anything. The dog owner should have had control of his dog. Bottom line - he is is at fault.

For example - why wasn't this dog trained not to bolt from the house?? Why didn't it know the recall command? The pup was way old enough to know both commands. And why wasn't the yard fenced?

It seems to me the responsibilty of the dog's death lies w/ the owner. It is not a livestock owner's responsibility to corrall a loose dog & return it to it's owner, nor is it a livestock owner's responsibility to let a loose dog kill his stock (tak the losses) & just demand payment.

Look at the case of the New Zealand buck that went for $4400. Do you think that man would have paid $4400 if his dog killed a rabbit like that? I doubt it. We don't know what kind of rabbits this man had. They could have been show rabbits or cherished pets.

But as one poster said, this is an unwinnable argument. Those who do not see the point of killing a stock harassing dog will never see the point.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:08 am

Then it would be my duty to kick his ass, burn his house, ect, ect, ect.

We are talking about a harmless beagle, not some 100lb killing machine. He could have easily been a decent human being and caught the dog and called the owner.

If he had shot your dog, you would be thinking much different abou this, I guarantee that.

Yeah, he would have recieved an awful beating, flat tires, ect, ect, ect.

MSU, head into the backwoods of your state and ask around what happens in MS when a hound is shot by someone other than the owner. I bet they don't bake them an apple pie.

gus · Post by **gus** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:32 am

Swamper it is very difficult to judge from that story which is the jerk. Was it the guy sitting at home minding his business while the neighbors dog tried to kill his rabbits. Or the irresponsible neighbor who failed to look after his dog.
That is why we have due process. If the guy acted within the law in his area the case is closed. If you crossed property lines to kick his butt there is always the possibility of joining the beagle on the other side of the eternities, to quote Robert Duval in "Broken Trail".

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:32 am

Swamper - you have me very much mistaken sir. If they shot my dog, I would be sad & maybe even hurt or angry, but if it was my fault the dog was loose & he was on their property harassing them I wouldn't think of hurting him or his animals b/c he protected himself &/or his stock. That's just plain insane.

Now if he shot the dog while the dog was in MY yard, that is completely different. but I will not fault a person for shooting a dog of mine that has trespassed onto their property & is harassing them or their livestock.

But perhaps I just have a different perspective on this. One must be very responsibe to own the breed I've owned for the last decade, so I look at it as MY duty - not the duty of others - to look after my dog.

As for what they do to dog shooters, in my area it would probably be nothing. All the ppl I've spoken to on the matter have said if a dog is loose on their property w/o premission it's fair game.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:40 am

WHAT????????

Put yourself in that idiots shoes.

If you saw a harmless 8 month old beagle messing with your rabbit cages, would you blast his butt away with 00 buckshot???????????

I highly doubt it.

Within the law or not, he was wrong and he would something coming.

The story said the dog slipped out of the house and within 5 minutes he was shot. Don't sound like he had time to do much of anything to me. Knowing beagles, he spent 3 of those minutes peeing.

This guy was just looking for something to shoot, is a jerk and a piece of sh#$. That is all.

Now, if that dog was attacking his children or himself, that would be a different story.

backyard beagler · Post by **backyard beagler** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:13 am

I guess the harmless 8 month old beagle was over there to say hi,

what a joke the dog was there to kill and thats the bottom line could the man have done something different, yes but its like I said earlier I would guarantee this is not the first time and maybe he was fed up and how was the rabbit owner supposed to know the beagle was 8 months old?
I would like to hear all the response if someones pit bull got loose and was trying to kill someones beagles and was shot, just because its a beagle that the guy shot he's supposed to be a bad person and thats bullshit.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:37 am

Swamper - I have been in that "idiot's" shoes.

We used to have a pet rabbit named Hoss we loved dearly & neighborhood dogs - to include a beagle - used to harass him. The 1st time we ran them off. The 2nd time they would have gotten a bullet. But you're right in that I wouldn't have shot them w/ 00 buckshot. It would have been a .22 hollow point.

backyard beagler - I agree that it probably wasn't the first time. Either this man's dog or other dogs probably harassed his rabbits in the past & he had probably just had enough. But IMO if the pup found the rabbit pens that fast he had probably been there in the past.

As for the age of the pup, I don't know about y'alls dogs but my hounds could easily have been mistaken for adult dogs at the age of 8 mos.

But even if the pup was 8 months old, it doesn't matter. An 8 month old beagle can kill a rabbit just as dead as a 2 year old beagle & an 8 moth old can snap & bite a person as well as a 2 year old, so the age is moot, damage still could have been done to either the man or his stock.

JMHO ...