Still trouble.

MIKE · Post by **MIKE** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:15 pm

YOU'RE MAKEING EXCUSES, CULL IT.
MIKE

TC · Post by TC » Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:17 pm

YOU'RE MAKEING EXCUSES, CULL IT.

Caint say it any better n that!!!!!
Just do what you KNOW you have to Do YOU and the Dog will be better off for it.........

Cottontail Chaser · Post by **Cottontail Chaser** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:09 pm

One of the worst combo faults there is ( Biting and Fighting)...This is also potentially damaging to your other packmates also .. These traits should never be allowed.. I had a gyp bite my wife after whelping her puppies and I put her "under" immediately.. If you can't do it take it to the vet or animal control and have them put the dog down....Do whats right as there is something not right about the dog...What will happen is this dog will kill your other dog and your left with a worthless headache and the loss of the better dog...

bunnie harvester · Post by **bunnie harvester** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:47 pm

I believe WE NEED A BULLET HERE,,,THen we need eye wash and q-tips, I CAN`T Believe you............I`m done here......
RESCUE,,,BULs#$#$

Big River Beagles S · Post by **Big River Beagles S** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:09 pm

I had a dog like this he was fine at a year old. Then the trouble began . I never had any trouble with him but I noticed he was becoming a bully around the kennel. One day he was roughing up his littermate and my dad went to brake it up and the dog bit him .So my dad backed off about a week later He went after another dog on the tail gate when i was right there and he bit at me. I thought I mad eit clear to hom at that point that was not acceptable. So I talked to an old beagler he said when he gets aggressive roll him on his back forcefully and pin him to the ground with your hand over hid muzzle holding his head back. Saying this is how another dominant dog would handle him. So I tried it. It took about 3 or 4 times and he submitted to me. I thought I had the problem whipped then about six months later he wouldn't come out of the dog box I reached into get him and I ended up with 10 stitches needless to say I knew what the dog needed long before that point but I liked him so He lived 6 months to long and I payed for it. I talked to the man that bred him and he had the line of dogs for years and never raised an aggressive dog. So you tell me where he got it from? So I would agree with the rest of the guys when I say there is no good traits that can out weigh the want or willingness to bite the hand that feeds him. This dog was also very spooky around people to.I don't know if its genetic or personality. Dogs are more like people than we tend to believe

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:25 pm

bunnie harvester wrote:I believe WE NEED A BULLET HERE,,,THen we need eye wash and q-tips, I CAN`T Believe you............I`m done here......
RESCUE,,,BULs#$#$

Agree with that!!! There are way to many nice dogs that need "rescue" to be waisting those resourses on dogs that have real temperment problems.
Why should anyone be ashamed of having to put down a dog when there is a reason for doing so!!!!!
This is why "temperment" is at the top of the list with a breeding program.

bad dog

bad

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:41 am

bunnie harvester wrote:MSU,, I personally DON`T put up with aggression, no dog of any breed should BITE the hand that feeds it..........
I have had beagles since 1962,only seen 4 dogs that were aggressive,2 the man liked his dogs that way so they couldn`t be
handled by anyone but him. the other 2 are in a hole ..........
Sorry to say but this one dog is not safe around your family or anyone else, visitors would scare me to death .............
CULL this dog..........JMO

You that old Bunnie????

Bunnie and John are right. Cull this dog and do it now. I could go on but I won't. Just do what needs to be done.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:15 am

Thanks for the info guys. Y'all are right - I don't want to have to do it, but after reading your posts I am confident if I did it I would not be in the wrong.

I talked to my husband about it last night when I got home from work & he absolutely refuses to have Trouble euthed. He said I was being dramatic & it was my fault for being "mean" (correcting) to Trouble. He went on to say that he'd never had a problem w/ Trouble - which he hasn't - but he hardly ever handles Trouble. I'm the one who handles the dogs 99.9% of the time.

I told him what was said here & asked him how he'd feel once I had 10 stitches in the hand. Then I told him if Trouble's behaviour was b/c I was being "mean" to him to let Trouble out of the kennel & try to catch him & see what happened.

He didn't say anything.

As a side note, I remember saying the breeder of this dog saying his mother would bite, but she was a pampered pet, so I didn't think anything about it.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:07 am

Well, when someone hands your husband papers for a hefty lawsuit some day, you can tell him we told you so!

Sometimes a dog just leaves the house and don't come back. hint/hint

Of course, you could just let him be for now. If he is bad enough, he'll bite you one of these days. Then you can take him out back, pull the trigger and apologize later.

Alabama John · Post by **Alabama John** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:01 am

MSU
I hunt around Columbus all during hunting season.
In 90 more days the season will be open.
Meet me, and since I just descovered you are a woman, my sons too, and bring "Ol Trouble.
I'll buy him from you or trade you out of him.
PROBLEM SOLVED!

Hare Hunter · Post by **Hare Hunter** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:03 am

Putting down a dog can be a very difficult decission, take your heart out of the equasion and use your head only. This dog must go. No if ands or buts. Hare

Robg · Post by **Robg** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:42 pm

Looks like you may need to cull the husband and the dog , lol!!

Hondo · Post by **Hondo** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:04 am

I am no expert but I do have a little experience with this.

I bought my daughter a Welsh Corgi. By the time it was one year old, I started noticing all kinds of dominance issues. Did some reading on the breed and found that this was a common issue. One day I was trying to put the dogs in the kennel and the Corgi snapped at me. My kids were small and I could not have a dog that bit. So I grapped the Corgi by the neck, held him down, and began to squeeze the life out of him.

At first, he was snarling and trying to bite me. When that didn't work, he began to look up and begin to realize that this was the end. He become passive and I let him go. I never had another problem with him.

I am not saying this will work with your dog. But he either needs to be corrected or put down. There is a book by Cesar Milan called Cesar's Way that I highly recommend. You can get it at Amazon. Milan is the Dog Whisperer that is on the Discovery Channel. When I first started watching the show, I was a skeptic. But he is the best dog trainer I have ever seen.

If you see his show, he works alot with dominance issues. I highly recommend you read the book and/or watch the show.

Very best of luck.

MSU Dawg · Post by **MSU Dawg** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 7:57 am

Hi guys. Sorry I haven't written sooner.

Thanks for all the great advice. And Alabama John, your offer is very kind. I truly appreciate it.

Rob: There have been times I have thought about culling my hubby! But what wife hasn't? lol. (juuuust kidding!)

Hondo: I have tried this the "alpha rollover." The 1st time Trouble snapped at me I did the same thing - I grabbed him by the throat, threw him on his back & began throttling the little SOB. He too fought like the dickens, trying to bite me. He of course couldn't reach me b/c I had both hands around his neck.

Unfortunately we were in the kennel when this happened & when my female beagle Renny saw what as going on she ran over & jumped on Trouble. I then let go of Trouble as I didn't want to have my hands in the middle of a dogfight. Renny whipped the tar out of him & sent Trouble running into his dog house.

Now I can roll Trouble on his back & he submits right away & for a time I had no problems out of him toward humans, although he was still dog aggressive.

He has not acted overtly dominant to me after that but instead acts spooky. He will no longer aggress on me or any other human, but he will bite the tar out of me (or anyone else) if he feels cornered (fear bite).

He has however had & continues to have dominance issues w/ other dogs. Up until recently he would even guard all 3 bowls of food. He would even run from corner to corner in a large kennel to chase the other dogs away from their food. He would even pee on their food!

He even once peed on my husband & we absolutely cannot let him in the house b/c the first thing he does is pee on everything! If I try to correct him for marking in the house he does what he always does - he runs away from me, forts up in a corner & puts up a defensive stand.

I may pick up that book however. I am kinda at a loss as while I have owned bull breeds for years & know how to handle & train them, these beagles are a horse of a different color.

warddog · Post by **warddog** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:31 am

DEAD DOG WALKING, but for the life of me I don't know why he's still walking!