Trashproof?

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:55 am

I have $1000 to put on the dog of my choice that won't take a deer can try all ya want we can even set a time frame so be it.I think I got some easy money coming.LOL he is deer proof and still alive.LOL Dan.

briarshakersdaddy · Post by **briarshakersdaddy** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:58 am

Have a 8 year male out of stock that is known to run deer. Dont know about where he ever ran deer before I Bought him. Was 5 at the time I got him. First day he arived fresh off the airplane put a shock collor on him and turned him loose in 17 deer. Didnt offer to take a deer track. Was told when I bought him he would not run deer. Have ran him with out a shock collar every since has jumped deer and still has not ran one. Will come back to you if other dogs are runing deer. Had a female that would do the same thing. But who knows how they would react if you put enough pressure on them. Have a female breed to him that has not ran deer. Hope the pups out of this cross will not run deer but who knowes. Had a well breed female raised from a pup had every chance to run deer. let a friend that had run with her all the time have her. He took her out of state to a diffrent invorment and she ran a deer. She was almost 3 years old before she ever ran one. So realy you can only hope that they wont. But a beagle will make a liar out off you real fast whene you go to braging that they'll do this or not do that.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:40 am

Thanks for the invite ralph .I have not been out your way before but would love to make the trip . Maybe preacher and i could head out . That could be a interesting trip

just not sure us hillbillys could find that part of the world . I agree with lots you have said but not all . But thats what makes this fun . I have learned from 30 years of hounds most know very little . What ever wins today is there blood tommorow very few stick to the beaten path. I also beleive most anyone may get lucky and make a decent cross , but the thought comes in around 8th and 9th generations. I will also be the first to say the most sucessful breeders i have met have little or no interest in dealing with the public , Tha greatest compliment is your buddie to ask to bred to your hound. My breeding thus far has not really been offered to few and i could care less if i ever do . A good dog in bad hands is the worst advertiment one can get in my eyes. As evident from post on this board . If i do sell a dog i will be honest to tell you good as well as faults . My line i have worked with is pretty decent I feed em . They are competitive but not stupid . I always and will always breed for hunt . Without it you have nothing

. My line needs more nose to me , i am surley and slowly plugging away to get there . Thanks again for invite , How bout it preacher man ? Are you up for it ?

yellowdog · Post by **yellowdog** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:02 am

if i read this right ralph is from missouri?...you and preacher should head up this way...i even got a place fer ya to stay..would love o go and see ralph's hounds as well...you boys are more than welcome at my place anytime

Ralph Pearson · Post by **Ralph Pearson** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:03 am

Jimmie yellowdog preacher I live north of Kahoka a ways. You can come here and hunt and it won't be no wild goose chase. Make plans and Jimmie I have a stud that might put that nose you need in some of them and hopefully not screw up your bloodline. Let me know if you want to come and we will make contact somehow.

yellowdog · Post by **yellowdog** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:33 pm

are you in missouri ralph?,,,

yellowdog · Post by **yellowdog** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:37 pm

never mind i see where kahoka is now...boys he really is in thick deer country up there.....when can i come up and thin some of them deer out for ya ralph...i hunt now just a lil north of palmyra...

Brad B. · Post by **Brad B.** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:03 pm

Yellowdog, what part of Missouri do you live?

yellowdog · Post by **yellowdog** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:49 pm

i am in gasconade county how bout you?

Brad B. · Post by **Brad B.** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:56 pm

Just down the road from you in Osage County. I live in Westphalia. There is a new UKC club starting in Owensville this fall. First hunt is in Sept.

Randy Phipps · Post by **Randy Phipps** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:42 pm

Trash Proof...

...... I've always found that a good sapling(for a good dose of hickory tea) works in a pinch

but that a Tri-tronics shock collar is ...........Priceless

warddog · Post by **warddog** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:43 pm

Folks, the original post was about a claim that a fellow had dogs BORN trashproof. Mike then went on to state that he meant that the breeding was trashproof.
I will admit and agree that there has been a lot of good opinions on breeding and I'll also say that there are dogs that have not run a deer or trash but that does not mean their breeding is trashproof.
I will also admit that there are lines or breedings that have a propensity to run a rabbit over other animals and some visa versa but I will never believe that a beagle or any hound is monogomous when it comes to running scent.
My point and only point was that in order to prove such a claim a person would have to turn the offspring of a specific line out into the wild, natural, environment to survive as nature would have it without ANY intervention what-so-ever by man. If 100% of that specific lines offspring, generation after generation could be observed in their natural environment pursuing nothing but rabbits then would I believe that a beagle line was born trashproof. Until that time as it is proven as above it will be just a hypothesis as it is certain that with the many different statements and observations on the issue there is no science behind the claim.

blunder · Post by **blunder** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:25 pm

I remember a guy telling me a long time ago that there are only two kinds of dogs on this planet, those that bite, and those that haven't yet.
Guess you can say the same thing about running trash.

tom

trackman · Post by **trackman** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:28 pm

I am sorry but I have yet to see a dog that is absolutely trash proof. All of the dogs I have ever bought have tried, once broken they are fine. Some take longer to break than others, some are more apt to run a deer than others, BUT I think it is in all dogs that scent that they will try to run anything they can follow by smell. IMO I think it has more to do with training, and perhaps a bit to with breeding. If breed well, a dog will train well, if not bred well, most likely will not train well. I bred a well bred Bramett male to a well bred Branko Bramlett female, who were both excellent rabbit dogs and would not run deer. Out of 9 pups, only 2 never attemtped to run a deer, the other 7 were balls to the wall when given the chance. Hence the reason I no longer have them. In my opinion, 7 out of 9 was not a good ratio, and I had no interest in furthering this trait. If a dog tries more than once after being broken to run a deer, they are gone.

PREACHERS KENNEL · Post by **PREACHERS KENNEL** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:06 pm

hey its possible i can come just not sure where u are.jimmie aint to far from me i dont think.maYBE WE CAN HOOk up a run this season.

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