SPO ?

[beagler282]

I was wondering if you have dogs that do well in ARHA PP, what division would you run them in AKC in the south region.I've tried a UBGF trial and my dogs got picked up for running too much rabbit.Before I drive to another hunt I wanted a little input from yall.Thanks for any help!

[AlabamaSwamper]

I would think that if you went to another, you might get different judges that will let them run, instead of walk.

Although it's wrong IMHO, in AKC, you have to chase judges. Don't ask why, well..........you can but watch out. This thread could get long.

[PREACHERS KENNEL]

u may wanto try akc midwest.TOO MUCH RAbbit thaT IS SUCh A CROCK.. how innthe world can u run too much rabbit lol....only way is to catch it ...

[speed demon]

How do you run toooo much rabbit???I thought that was what a dog was supposed to do was run.Sounds like your dogs would do well in UKC cause we let them run and not chase judges around. All we chase is trying to get a line on the rabbit and the faster the dog does it while not cheating does very well. Try UKC with your dogs and they should do fine. Wont have to worry about your dog getting picked up, maybe scratched for some reason but thats a different story.

[Incahoots]

got picked up at my first spo hunt a couple of weeks ago. I was told "she was creating holes in the pack"

They'd come to a check and she'd blow out with it solo getting a good 75 yards on them. Yes. she is that fast and very clean for a wind splitter. They's pull to her and mess the track up creating another check and she'd blow out with it again over and over. The other 5 dogs sounded good in the check area babbling around but only one dog came out with it running every time. She ran more rabbit then the other 5 combined in that cast. She displayed excellent brains, nose and foot imo but not the judges. Oh well I went to have fun I knew she'd out foot any dogs there just didn't know it's bad to have good foot!

Here is a clip of her in front

[beagler282]

Well that's how i feel when they say to much rabbit.My dog better run to catch it or he is gone!I like to run a speed of 6 or 7 on a scale to 10.I know of some AKC hunts here in GA. and AL. but I'm not sure what speed they like.UBGF, DSBGF, Mid-West are here in my region and I would like to attend and look into joining a club but I'm trying to narrow down which one I need to attend instead of driving 2-3hrs and get picked up when my dog runs off from the pack in less than a minute.Just would like to know what style these clubs like.I would try UKC but it's not local.

[kjohn2hunt]

I still don't know why people would have a slow dog. Run your dog in LP and let those guy's think they have rabbit hounds.A true dog should run med+ and have line control. If my dogs can't move on, they move on.As far as too much rabbit, I think you guys have spoken it 4 me. LET'EM RUN!

[Gbeagle]

Well you gonna have to do what Swamper suggested because your judges come from all over and different areas prefer a different style . Last trial I went to judges were from 4 different states . So until you run under them or can talk to someone who has you won't know what they are looking for .Some will let em get up and go ,some don't it is just a matter of finding the judges to run under ,and before ya'll go to knocking formats and speeds . It's all a matter of personal preference if you don't like it don't run in it or feed it . REMEMBER ONE MANS TRASH IS ANOTHER MANS GOLD !!!!! Your dog running to much rabbit should never be excepted as a response as to why you were picked up get in there and politely question them for a detailed answer . By the way I am from Ga and do attend trials in the area.
Stop by this site and come into the chat and most nights you will run into some of the area trialers and some judges , they can tell you better than I can . This time of year they usually start showing up between 9:30 and 10:00

http://www.southernbeagles.homestead.com/Forum.html

[jkidd5]

I run a PP style hound and get the same thing. Mine are close to LP speed but clean. You might want to try NGA beagle club in Dawsonville or Cohutta beagle club who holds there trial at JL Lester WMA usually the First Sat. in Dec. They are members of the Deep South Beagle Federation and they run alot closer to a PP style hound than UBGF. I go to West GA trial which is UBGF and don't never make it past first series with the dogs I have but still go cause its a good bunch of guys there.

Jason

[Chuck Terry]

Ray: From my limited experience with AKC. Deep South is roughly equivalent to Progressive Pack and Midwest is roughly equivalent to Little Pack. UBGF matches up best with the old ARHA Gundog Pack (I can't really say about the current ARHA Gundog Pack - last I knew they were only holding trials in one state up north!). If I ever have another beagle with potential in PP, I am going to give the Deep South club Jason mentioned a try!!!!!!!!!!!! Several of your Gunsmoke bred beagles are probably footed enough to have a shot in the Midwest Federation trials too. Like Swamper pointed out, I think you have to learn what type of dog judges favor regardless of the Federation!

[beagler282]

I appreciate all the responses.I have enough info to figure out which hunts i might choose from.I guess i need to figure which judges like my style of dog.Thanks again!

Chuck Terry, If your looking for some foot I have a litter of pups coming around the 10th of July.They will be out of Buddy and a female that was crossed up with some Eky Bob blood and some Branko's Heli prop.If your interested let me know.I would like to see you with one of these pups.

[Shady Grove Beagles]

I recently went to a trial that was run under SPO format and it was the first time I'd ever been to that type of trial. My background in trialing was previously Large Pack on Hare in the northeast and for the past 10 years it's been Little Pack in Tn., ALA. and Ky.
I asked a bunch of the competitors what the judges would be looking for in a dog and to a man they said they didn't know as they hadn't run under them before. Man that's just wrong!
In our cast one male opened on two differant occasions and the other dogs did not open [ in Little Pack he would have had 2 minuses for not producing a rabbit ] I don't know how they scored him.
We hunted an hour to get a rabbit up. My dog got a happytail and began to open and there went a rabbit [in Little Pack that would be 10 pts. strike and 30 pts. jump ]. I hollered to the judge " My dog jumped a rabbit" He yelled " catch your dogs" and then had us all put our dogs on the line. The dogs lined it out and we could see the whole run and all that the dogs did. My Rose female led the chase all the way across the hillside and there were several short checks and it appeared that she picked them and came out of the check area in front each time. She obviously had more foot then the dogs she was running against.
We came to the top of the hill and had a long check [1-1/2 mins.]. All the dogs worked it close at first like they should and then Rose started to widden her search area [like they should! ]. Nobody was hitting it and she started to widden it a little more which is how I want my dog to work it. She got out there about 50 feet from the original breakdown spot and the judge immediately said 'I've seen enough, pick em up'. Of course you know what happened then. Rose hit the line hard and fired out of there with the rabbit and I had to go run her down.
Guess who won the cast and placed in the trial? The dog who opened twice and didn't have a rabbit and he was also the dog that ran last going up the hill and he was the dog that anchored at the check standing on his head opening and never moved more than 10 feet from where he stopped.
Guys told me later that the reason Rose didn't win was that she had swung "WAY' out there on the check. Course she did, nobody had been able to do anything with it in closer and I would expect a dog with any brains to to do exactly what she did.
That's one of the things I've heard about SPO that I guess would kind of put me off of it. STYLE. Some judges are more interested in HOW they run the rabbit the what they actually accomplish. JMHO

[Ralph Pearson]

The stylist judges have no place in field trials. They don't know their butt from a sap sucker. The SPO better change or they are going the same way trials did in the 60s. I also like they the way they score for search. What is that?? Yes some score for search but most don't. These are the type dogs I am talking about that can't run in tough conditions even though they may have a good nose. At times a rabbit dog has to widen his search because there is no scent in the area. Dying on the line is not my idea of having fun. Also some of the slower dogs allow the rabbit to lay a complicated and confusing trak which even a dog with a great nose can't unravel at times. They need to push the rabbit and keep him honest. I don't care how pretty a dog looks running the track, if they lose the rabbit they are worthless as a rabbit dog and should be judged accordingly.

[Gbeagle]

As stated before it all depends on where you are and who the judges are some like em close some will let em get out and go . It is the same in all formats judges have differing styles and preferences . You just have to get out and do your home work and figure out where you going to trial .