Burn't Out ??????

[coolbrze]

Hunt,
The pup should be fine

Just keep the collar on him but don't hit him with it except for emergency. If you get into a situation where you can't run him down then use the lowest setting possible. Do NOT use that collar for handling control. Some dogs are just hyper sensitive and do not tolerate the collar but on the other hand he can't be afraid to wear it. He just has to realize that he can get out of your sight without getting in trouble. He is just confused and not quite sure what he did to get bumped. He was doing what he thought he was supposed to do but did not put the deer scent with the zap, all he knows is that he didn't please you. Be patient with him, he is still putting things together.

I think where you made the mistake is by bringing him home without giving him the opportunity to get back on a rabbit. If he runs trash again and has to be corrected, you MUST put him back on rabbit scent right away!!! Deer scent BAD, Rabbit scent GOOD.

Try handling that dog as little as possible. Just act like he isn't there. Don't pet him, don't talk to him, just ignore him. Eventually he will get out from under foot.
Good luck young man!

Good advice.

[Beagled1]

But he ran down through the woods jumped 2 deer and took off on them. I didn't burn him into the ground i just put it on 6 and nicked him and said NO!!.

When you use a shock collar you need to use a MILD correction on the first offense. Just to get their attention & let them know thats not something desirable. If they continue to do it, then you gradually build up the severity of the corrections. I've seen firsthand some light scarring - physical and mental - from incorrect use of the collar. Be very careful with it, and JMO, but 6 is too high a setting to shock a Beagle with on the first time on deer.
Try running this hound in a starting pen or other controlled setting where he can only find hare - without the shock collar. You'll need to build up his confidence to the point where he'll be able to tolerate *mild* corrections.

[JAW]

If you shock your hound(s) off deer why should you have to say anything? The shock in itself will deter the hound(s) from any bad behavior and you shouldn't want your hound(s) to associate your voice with the painful shock. The whole purpose of the shock collar is to correct bad behavior.If you've trained your hound(s) on the collar then you don't want them to think your correcting them it's the bad behavior that's producing the shock.If your hound(s) are well trained they know that good behavior and obeying commands will not produce a shock but praise and a pat on the head. Our hound(s) know when their doing something out of the normal rabbit running routine so don't underestimate them. I've trained my hound(s) to come to me with the beeper on the collars no matter what they are doing.I can also stop a race without shocking my hound(s) and none of them are collar wise because I run without the collars and get the same results. John

[mike crabtree]

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[lined out]

Huntin54,
It does look to be more than just a coinsidence that this started happening after he was shocked, so that probably does play a large role in the problem but I thought I would throw this out there anyway.

I've seen something like this in young beagles and coonhounds. Sometimes if they are started very young, they will go through a period just like this. They'll be setting the world on fire then take a turn for the worse, where they don't want to hunt and sort of get this lazy streak about them. The only thing that worked for me was to pen them up for a few weeks, then start again. I know that doesn't sound like the right thing to do but it worked for me. I don't have any real hardcore proof that this is the correct way to do it, it's just the way I do it and seems to work well for me.

I have been told that a hound usually remembers the last thing that happened out in the field. I always try to pick my young dogs up after they do something I want them to remember. Should you have picked him up right after being shocked on the deer or should you have gotten him one more rabbit race before picking him up? Could go both ways. Might be good that he remembers getting zapped on that deer. I guess that's water under the bridge now. Main thing is to keep working on him. Like others have said, if he had it once, seems unlikely that he won't get it back.

[ANTHONY KERR]

I think the collar is the culprit. I saw a buddy flat take the hunt right out of a young male. He only knew one setting 6. I think going to safe places while wearing the collar is the only way to go. The more times they can go without being shocked the better. I have a female now that would not solo. She looked like she did not trust me. I bought her at a year old. She had been shocked off deer before I got her and she thought she was being set up. I have not shocked her or had any reason to in the last 6 months, she still wears the collar and hunts independently solo or packed up. E collars are good tools, but it can be very traumatic for some dogs. I think Southern Beagles hit it right on the head.

[ANTHONY KERR]

There is an excellent book called Hound Training Dynamics. The author is Vicki Lamb. She has a great deal of training experience and a common sense approach to E collars. She talks about collar conditioning and reading individual dogs. Most of the book deals with coonhounds but the raising and training parts have universality and can be applied to any breed.

[JIMMIE ABSHIRE]

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EASY SON

[NorWester]

My 2 cents, if a dog cant handle conditioning with an e-collar and it knocks the hunt out of him then I dont think the dog had much hunt to begin with and I wouldnt want him. Likewise if the dog has a stubbed toe and or a torn dewclaw and that's enough to send him packing for the day or longer......I dont want him either. This may not apply to the dog in question, but I see a lot of folks talking like the stars have to be aligned just right to get a hound with the desire to get the job done and maybe thats why finding good dogs is so difficult sometimes.

[Wilson Creek Dad]

Just be patient and keep working with him. About a year ago we had a young male that was really coming along good. We had used the collar on him enough to break him from deer but he was still doing good hunting and running. One day my boys had some dogs out and a deer chase broke out. This young male came straight back to them and they put him on a lead. My son went to shock another dog that was in the chase and hit the wrong button and shocked the dog on the lead. This really messed him up for a while and I don't blame him. Very confusing to the dog and put a lot of fear in him of making a mistake. We just kept taking him out with other dogs and let him do what he wanted. He eventually got past it and started getting back into the game but it took quite a while. He got back real good but still would not solo so a friend took him and worked him in a pen loaded with rabbits and now he is better than ever. Only side affect, if you hit him even lightly with the collar he won't hunt for a little while after that but even that is getting better lately. Valuable lesson for us on the use of the collar, be very careful in it's use!

[Gbeagle]

Just be careful with the use of the collar thats all . Like anything else some dogs are more sensitive than others . Doesn't have anything to do with how much hunt a dog has.I have one here that will hunt her hiney off ,but the slightest touch from the collar will keep her at my feet for a few minutes . Just a fact of life every dog is different some can take more than others . Now is the time to be patient !!!!!! He will come around just give him time !!!!!

[kjohn2hunt]

IS THIS DOG RED? I HAVE HAD ALOT OF YOUNG RED DOG THAT BETWEEN 1&2 WOULD DEVELOPE A LAZY STREAK, NOT HUNT AT ALL. MY BROTHER HAS A 4 YEAR OLD RED DOG THAT IS AS GOOD AS ANY I HAVE EVER HUNTED ,BUT ONLY HUNTS WHEN HE WANTS TO.

[wvrabbithunter]

i anit a pro but i think i would get in the woods with him and get out of the truck thats all i no to do frank

[Huntin54]

Kjohnhunt2,

Nope he is Drifter/Hickory bred.

Thanks for all the help guys.