Trashproof?

tnbeagleman · Post by **tnbeagleman** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 6:33 pm

I think running a house cat is a Fault and a hound that will run them is a faulty hound and they need to be broke ,but that is only my opinion and most people don't see it that way. Whats the difference in running a cat then a fox or coyote or any other thing then a rabbit. I break my dogs from cats if they run them. If you bring a dog to my place that is bad to run cats you will not be invited back. On the farm I hunt on that is one of the major rules don't run or kill my cats or you will not hunt here again. The farmer has a couple large barns with feed in them and has cats for mice control and doesn't want them killed. Yes they get some rabbits but so do a lot of other predators. Killing cats is the second most common reason I have been refused to hutn on peoples property. The first being littering. Farmers don't like soda boottles , candy warpps and stuff scatered on their farms. Now back to Mike's question . I have never seen a bloodline that was trash proof . I have saw some dogs that were just naturally trashproof, and have owned a few but most have had to be broke. I have saw Trashproof hounds that were guarnteed to be so run deer into the next county. We were hunt I told the guy with me that this place is loaded with deer and I saw some does in there a short time ago and said these dogs will not run deer . The guy I got them from guarnteed they would not even if other dogs did. To make a long story short they both left the valley quickly chasing three does and he spent the rest of the day rounding up dogs. Me personally I like the naturally trashproof dog if you can find them but they are few and far between and there are more deer around me now then there are rabbits. It's a shame hawks , cats, crows and foxes don't catch deer.

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:24 pm

I think running anything other than a Rabbit for a Rabbit Hound is off game. Mike I see what you mean now. What Bloodlines?

Chuck Terry · Post by **Chuck Terry** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:53 pm

Some lines are more likely to take trash and some are harder to break. The tendency even varies within a line such as two littermates where one is trashy and the other never has to be broken. I really do not worry much about it anymore. My young beagles are just run with a collar on until I am relatively certain they are broken or will not need to be broken. Of the ones I have now, one has never run a deer and I am confident to say he will not run a deer (6 years old) and the rest have either been broken with a collar or are young enough that they are still being run with a collar. By running them with a collar on in a deer broke pack it is REALLy easy to catch them in the act. Most are shocked 100 yards into their FIRST deer chase and many never try deer again as I merciless on the ones who run a deer! I have one that had been allowed to run deer by her previous owner and I almost gave up on before I finally broke her. I am 98% sure now that she won't try one now at three years old. Here a beagle that will run deer - even ones started by packmates - is WORTHLESS as there are more deer than rabbits. Deer running is the one thing that I will not tolerate in a beagle at all.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:58 pm

No dog is trashproof until they die.

If they never ran a deer or was broke when they die, then yes, they were trashproof til they died.

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:43 am

AlabamaSwamper wrote:No dog is trashproof until they die.

If they never ran a deer or was broke when they die, then yes, they were trashproof til they died.

I disagree.

blackdirt beagles · Post by **blackdirt beagles** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:52 pm

"trashproof" implies being 100%... which nothing in life ever is. you can be 99.9% but nothing is 100%. maybe a better term would be "trashfree". all my running dogs are trashfree and i would bet dollars to donuts that aint gonna change but i think trashfree is a better term. whatever you want to call it, there are definately some lines of beagles that 99.9% of the time will not run anything but a rabbit. just like some lines are known for coldtrailing or others for a distinct mouth... i believe that not running trash is a passed down trait. yes it can also be a learned trait but i think it is also genetically passed.

AlabamaSwamper · Post by **AlabamaSwamper** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:43 pm

tommyg wrote:
AlabamaSwamper wrote:No dog is trashproof until they die.

If they never ran a deer or was broke when they die, then yes, they were trashproof til they died.
I disagree.

Send one down here and I guarantee it'll be running deer. Bunnyseeker will see to it.

Seen many of men made liars by their "trashproof" dogs.

Good post Blackdirt.

sgc · Post by **sgc** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:26 pm

One thing I've noticed is that pups I've raised that have all been put through a deer preventative treatment at 3 & 4 months old (with the fence charger method) have never had a serious deer problem later. They may have had to be corrected off deer when they later started running rabbits & then bumped a deer, but they learned very much more quickly not to do it again. It's the dogs I didn't raise, but bought & that were never put through this procedure that were the hardest to break off of deer. So far I've never had one that didn't eventually get it, (but we'll see what happens this Fall).
Running cats can be a problem if you run near the city. I found a big dead one the last day of the running season on State land that someone shot. I decided that was such a good idea that I'd start carrying my shotgun when I trained (& it was legal to carry).

Beagle Huntsman · Post by **Beagle Huntsman** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:58 pm

It's definitely genetic. Just about everything is. The longer I work with these hounds, the more convinced I become of that. I have at least a dozen hounds I can take ANYWHERE and know they will not run deer. Some of them were naturally deer proof, and the others I had to break. I'm sure that it is a genetic trait that I could breed for, if I made it a top priority, which I do not.

Having lots of deer helps to make them deer proof....they encounter deer every time out and ignore them as if they were cattle. I had a fawn jump up in the middle of my pack (14 hounds) the other day in an open field. I yelled at the hounds as a precautionary measure, but none tried to chase it.

As far as cats, I can't believe anyone would tolerate them around a running grounds. They are harder on rabbits and birds than just about anything out there.

DRamey · Post by **DRamey** » Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:46 pm

90 percent trashproof, interpreted--Will run only one deer for every 9 rabbits. Hmmmmmm..........

coyote hunter · Post by **coyote hunter** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:11 am

I own a hound that will run nothing only rabbit 100% no trash at all try what ya want yes I said 100% and he is still alive

I will bank on it and try any situation ya want to try him out no problem but there will be no trash taken 100% and that is that.Dan

THALL · Post by **THALL** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 7:08 am

A wise old rabbit hunter told me it's not if it's when!
I believe in the right situation any beagle will bump a deer.
I've had close to 100 in my life and don't rember 1 that didn't show some interest in a deer.

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:41 am

AlabamaSwamper wrote:
tommyg wrote:
AlabamaSwamper wrote:No dog is trashproof until they die.

If they never ran a deer or was broke when they die, then yes, they were trashproof til they died.
I disagree.

Send one down here and I guarantee it'll be running deer. Bunnyseeker will see to it. Seen many of men made liars by their "trashproof" dogs.

Good post Blackdirt.

Come on up here and I'll show you one that is

tommyg · Post by **tommyg** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:42 am

AlabamaSwamper wrote:
tommyg wrote:
AlabamaSwamper wrote:No dog is trashproof until they die.

If they never ran a deer or was broke when they die, then yes, they were trashproof til they died.
I disagree.

Send one down here and I guarantee it'll be running deer. Bunnyseeker will see to it. Seen many of men made liars by their "trashproof" dogs.

Good post Blackdirt.

Come on up here and I'll show you one that is

Almost 7 years seen her turn trash down from hot trash chases,she will tell on hounds that do trash. Why would I send a Hound to someone who wants her to run trash? You have never seen her and you know what she'll do-I think not.

Big Dog · Post by **Big Dog** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:52 pm

I have had to break every dog that I have ever owned in recent history with a shock collar. Some broke easy others took awhile. My 5 broke dogs don't run trash, and have told on many trash runners over the last couple of years. I do know of one line that doesn't seem to produce trash runners and that is Bill Briedemiers stuff. Trash running even for a pup is a definite culling offense for him and he doesn't breed any dog that isn't naturally trash proof. I don't even worry about trash as I have come to expect to have to break all pups. I do have a young female out of Drew's Blue Storm who is right at a year old and has turned down trash and never attempted to run any at all. She still gets a collar everytime out though.

Big Dog

Trashproof?

sgc

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