Oversized Dogs Dont Belong

Hondo · Post by **Hondo** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:52 am

I am no expert but I have been running dogs for some time. From what I have seen, there are quite a few 16" and 17" dogs out there. I don't doubt that some of those big dogs can run faster. But the standard is there for a reason. If you want bigger and faster dogs, "outcross" to English Pointers. I am sure you will get an even faster dog.

Me? I will stick with the smaller and let them go in the briar patches. No offense, but that is my choice.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:12 am

U know i think some of ya are getting out there . Come on guys 17 inch dogs ? And you did not measure em ? Whats the big bitch ? Everbody has bigger dogs i got em , I got buddies that own em , But if you all are that
animated about size , why dont you measure em out ? Just seems as though this fish is getting bigger by the page . Read rufus stewarts first
post Makes all the sense in the world to me .

clippy · Post by **clippy** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:49 am

I have one simple question. Why do must of us run oversized dogs? well let me tell you Probably because they are a tough hound. Listen if i have a 15 and 1/2 inch hound and its the best dog i ever have had do you think im going to say well hes a 1/2 to big cant keep him. Wrong im going to take my chances knowing he is a little to big. I havent heard so many winers out there people are always crying about something my lord sounds like a bunch of women. If you have a 13 inch dog and you get beat by a 15 inch hound i got news you just need to invest in a new hound. I do agree with the rule 15 inches is 15 inches and if you have one over you know it. If you get measured out take it like a man.. Lets talk about something different this topics like beating a dead horse.

JIMMIE ABSHIRE · Post by **JIMMIE ABSHIRE** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:59 am

Well put clippy

Hondo · Post by **Hondo** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:28 pm

clippy: "do you think im going to say well hes a 1/2 to big cant keep him. Wrong im going to take my chances knowing he is a little to big."

If he is your best dog, I say great, hunt him. But if he is 15 and 1/2, I say he is out of the standard and cannot be a FC. Or lets change the standard to 16 inches.

But why have a standard if we are not going to follow it? It doesn't mean he is not a terrific hunter, he may be better than 90% of the small dogs out there. But I say either raise the standard or obey the rules.

No offense meant.

Briar Beagles · Post by **Briar Beagles** » Thu May 25, 2006 12:35 pm

Hondo wrote:But I say either raise the standard or obey the rules.

Couldn't have said it better.

Just want to add what a great web site this is! Just found it last night! Are there more like this one?

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Thu May 25, 2006 3:31 pm

ive seen some big hounds at trials. are they over 15 dont know. would guess they were. i wouldnt knowingly run one that was over. but if i got one thats close id probably go and take it. i dont have a stand so wouldnt know unless it was measured. a true 15" hound to me is a big dog. There is no true way to eyeball a dog and know what size it is, unless it is truly way over and someone will have those measured. but ive guessed 14" hounds prior to measured in front of me to be 13". ive seen some good sized hounds but i would say that the ones i see are less than 5% of the dogs trialed. the size issue has gone on for a long time not just in the recent.

most of the hounds you see go back to solid 13" stock so i would guess that the size is cycling. Guess thats why alot of 15" hounds produce 13" pups.

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:18 pm

one quick question for those that trial alot. I was thinking about this post and I truely cant remember a cast much less a hunt where a bigger hound won because of his size. may just be me but truely i cant remember. ive watched several big hounds put in the box and sent on there way but never recall one that won and i said it was because he was bigger.

beerdrinking bob · Post by **beerdrinking bob** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:39 pm

the popint of this topic is not the big dogs winning. i have seen full 15" dogs win. ive seen small dogs win. i think the point was guys bringing dogs to trials that are over the standard of 15" weather they win or lose. one thing this post did do was bring out alot of different opinions.i think it was interesting to read what all of you thought about it.

BunnyBuster12 · Post by **BunnyBuster12** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:54 pm

Does any one know the size of the first place dogs at the last couple of big five hunts?

MasonsBeagles · Post by **MasonsBeagles** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:46 pm

15" measured with a "KY Certified" measuring stand....lol

Roy Pasmore · Post by **Roy Pasmore** » Fri May 26, 2006 2:09 am

The hound that won the 2006 EMC is 13 3/4 . That was running with some full size hounds.

tiffinis · Post by **tiffinis** » Fri May 26, 2006 7:13 am

Hatteras Bob. Nope, I am from the Danville area, we were in Gettysburg for my son's field trip. But we are always looking for someone to run with. Not alot of rabbit hunters in our area.

timl · Post by **timl** » Fri May 26, 2006 4:29 pm

if your 13 inch dog gets beat by a 15 inch dog then you lost if it gets beat by a 151/2 inch dog then you got cheated whether your 151/2 inch dog is the best dog out there or the worst it don't matter when your trailing its still iilegal to run by the way if were changing rules in the field hunt i'd like to have a 30 minute head start next time lol it don't matter how the 151/2 dog places in a trail if it was there it affrcted the hunt maybe it took points from a good legal dog if you know there to big leave them at the house for hunting dogs

JCM · Post by **JCM** » Fri May 26, 2006 5:57 pm

The dogs in bold are all dogs I have seen and know to be under 14 1/2 and some even under 13". I am sure there are many listed here that I don't know about. This proves to me that size doesn't win, good dogs do.

Little Pack World Hunt Winners
Past To Current Year
Open Class
YEAR DOG OWNER
1987 RUSTY JAMES K. DOLLY
1988 HAWCREEK J.R. GARY SPANN
1989 GINGER DENNIS SIMMONS
1990 CRAIN'S HH DUSTY MERLE CRAIN
1991 BREDEMIER'S SEKA JOHN McKNIGHT
1992 DIAMOND SADIE'S RINGO MR. & MRS. BILL MYERS
1993 SMITH'S BELL CRICKET TILFORD ADAMS
1994 TIGER'S DEUCE JAMES PAINTER
1995 SWARTZ'S LITTLE TIME MARK SWARTZ
1996 GRAY VALLEY SNAPPER LLOYD GRAY
1997 RED HILL'S DEE DEE RED HILL KENNEL
1998 PRITCHARD ROAD WILLIE JAMES PAINTER
1999 LFJ RED RIDER LFJ KENNELS
2000 BRUNER'S NIP JAMES RANCH KENNEL
2001 GREEN RIVER BONNIE DAVID REYNOLDS
2002 SURBER'S SUGAR CREEK JOY 2 RONNIE & ROSEMARY PHELPS
2003 GRAY VALLEY TALKABOUT JASPER LLOYD GRAY
2004 SANGAMO RICK RACK STRIKE JUMP KENNEL
2005 BRUSHLINE DOZER KEVIN MONROE & TOM FLOYD

Champion Class

1989 HAWCREEK J.R. GARY SPANN
1990 WAIT'S KY CECIL WAYNE WAITS
1991 TONY'S BEACH GROVE JAKE TONY & JUDY ASBAUGH
1992 RALPH SHANNON WAY
1993 WAIT'S KY SALLY WAYNE WATIS
1994 ROBERT'S LITTLE SUGAR DONNIE ROBERTS
1995 SPICER'S BLUE BACK SCOTT & BERT SPICER
1996 HALL'S HOT TRACK JACK DAVID COLEMAN
1997 M & M NELLIE BLUE RICHARD KOLLEY
1998 GRAY VALLEY WENDY TONY & SUE UPTON
1999 WEEDEATER RUDY'S LICKER MARK STUMP
2000 SMITH'S WEEDEATER TRAMP FARRELL SMITH
2001 RACCOON CREEK RUSTY DAVID WALLACE
2002 WELL'S BIG BOMBER SAM WELLS & MARK SWARTZ
2003 CARA'S BLUE BELL JAMES MCGUIRE
2004 MORNING SCHO'S SCOOTER KEVIN MONROE
2005 PETERS' ALLPATCH DIXIE CARROL PETERS

Grand Champion Class

1990 PROFITT'S BOBBIE SUE MARSHALL PROFITT
1991 CHER-LIN REBEL YELL GEORGE BLAINE
1992 WAIT'S KY MTN CECIL MARK STUMP
1993 BRUNER'S LUCKY EARL BRUNER
1994 COCO JAMES RANCH KENNEL
1995 BRUNER'S LUCKY EARL BRUNER
1996 LARSEN'S NATIVE GIRL STEVE VAN TUINEN
1997 McCLEESE'S DUCK RICK HOWARD
1998 J R H'S POSSUM JOHNNY MILLER
1999 STUMP'S KY MTN SNAPPER DAVID SCHLAUG
2000 WAYLON'S BOMB A & W BEAGLES
2001 DENNY'S BLUE 2 JOE & CARROLL WALKER
2002 J F BOADIE JAMES MCGUIRE
2003 R & J RAMBO ROGER MARTIN
2004 LOGAN ELM BLUE ROCKY JAMES MCGUIRE
2005 ROCKY HILL'S BENS BJ LICKING RIVER KENNEL